ESPN reports on the news of a jolt within the boxing world as Richard Schaefer tendered his resignation from Golden Boy Promotions on Monday. As a result, Floyd Mayweather left Golden Boy to join up with Schaefer and Al Haymon.
A Michigan newspaper reports that Mayweather will promote his September 13th fight on his own. Golden Boy had provided promotional assistance to Mayweather fights since 2006. Mayweather Promotions has co-promoted the undefeated fighter and this will be the first time in 7 years that Mayweather’s company will go at it alone.
The resignation reflects the known tension between a returning Oscar de la Hoya from alcohol rehabilitation and the company’s CEO, Schaefer. During the Maidana-Mayweather fight hype, de la Hoya made news by calling for Golden Boy to return to work with Top Rank and Bob Arum. It is widely known that Mayweather does not get along with Top Rank and/or Arum and he has had a less than amicable relationship with de la Hoya.
As Steve Kim of Maxboxing points out, litigation over whether Schaefer breached fiduciary duties as the company’s head could be forthcoming. What is also interesting is that Schaefer indicated that remains a shareholder of the company. So, it’s unclear whether he could work for another promotions company as that might be a conflict of interest.
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The news of Schaefer and Mayweather’s departure may reflect a shift in power in the boxing business today. While Golden Boy still has Canelo Alvarez under contract, Al Haymon fighters would seemingly fight under the Mayweather Promotions banner and would thus create another wall from potential fights taking place. Obviously, all of this is still up in the air but one would think with the news that Mayweather will be promoting his own fight that only Haymon fighters would be on the September card.
When Al Haymon dies, the world of boxing will be made better. Can’t wait.
As bad as boxing is its nice to see the freedom fighters have in making their own decisions and controlling their own destiny. There are still plenty of fighters that don’t have many options but at least it gives some hope and shows the people that run boxing that they are not God.
@Diego
I’ve never heard 1 fighter say Al Haymon did anything to them that was wrong or took anything they thought they should have gotten. I have heard plenty say that about Bob Arum. What is it exactly you are waiting for???
Ron,
I’m not a fan of Bob Arum either. He can feel free to move on as well. Add Don King to the list while you’re at it.
And I’m not surprised that no Al Haymon fighters complain. Haymon is famous for getting his fighters easy fights. What fighter would complain about that? It only sucks for the rest of us who are fed worthless fights. Oh yeah, it also sucks for the opponents those Haymon fighters should be squaring off against who are left out, can’t get good fights and see their careers stall. Until of course, those fighters left out also sign with Al Haymon.
Nice use of question marks by the way. It must be a very pressing question.
Schaefer tried to get rid of ALL boxing promoters
man why dont this site post boxing viewers on certain cards yes i know it says mmapayout but they sometimes put certain boxing news and viewers … boxing has been amzing last 2 months epic run like last year .. viewers have been high but this website only post once in a blue .. every time i see a solid card or great card boxing does over a mil or a little less consistent … last week froch-groves 80 thousand attendance 1.2 million ppv buys viscious knockout .. did over 800g viewer on a afternoon! which usually horrible time for hbo .. arreola -stiverne war did around a mil .. marquez – alvarado war did a 1.2 .. stevenson peaked around 800g kovalev did over a million its non stop greatness in boxing .. lets continue this 2-3 year great run some great fights coming up
“man why dont this site post boxing viewers on certain cards yes i know it says mmapayout but they sometimes put certain boxing news and viewers ”
Hahaha. I think you answered your own question genius.
By the way, all of your numbers are exaggerations.
then why post any ? and no its not http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-scores-with-saturday-afternoon-viewers–78575 peaked at 830g on afternoon! at regular it would have been in mil easy
marquez-a;avarado peaked at 1.3 million http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/5/20/5734980/marquez-vs-alvarado-peaks-at-1-3-million-viewers-on-hbo-averages-1-2
kovalev-agnew peaked at 1.1 million http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalevs-hbo-headlining-debut-draws-over-1-million–76248
arreola-stiverne peaked over a mil and avg 940g http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/9013/stiverne-arreola-delivers-solid-rating
thurman- diaz first time the great thurman main event did 835 g http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=505687
adonis stevenson- bellew peak at 1.3 million http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/nielsen-ratings-1-3-million-tune-into-stevensonkovalev-twinbill-on-hbo-during-thanksgiving-weekend-232498
golovkin last fight on hbo 1.5 million http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing-experts-blog/gennady-golovkin-proves-big-hit-hbo-viewers-193916026–box.html
i could continue but im not there has been few cards that did little number but that’s when hbo and shotime are on at the same time splitting fans .. also these are paid programs with less viewers avaliable boxing is a beautiful sport and last 2 months every weekend feels something special is happening great run
then why post any ? and no its not http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-scores-with-saturday-afternoon-viewers–78575 peaked at 830g on afternoon! at regular it would have been in mil easy
marquez-a;avarado peaked at 1.3 million http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/5/20/5734980/marquez-vs-alvarado-peaks-at-1-3-million-viewers-on-hbo-averages-1-2
kovalev-agnew peaked at 1.1 million http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalevs-hbo-headlining-debut-draws-over-1-million–76248
arreola-stiverne peaked over a mil and avg 940g http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/9013/stiverne-arreola-delivers-solid-rating
thurman- diaz first time the great thurman main event did 835 g http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=505687
adonis stevenson- bellew peak at 1.3 million http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/nielsen-ratings-1-3-million-tune-into-stevensonkovalev-twinbill-on-hbo-during-thanksgiving-weekend-232498
golovkin last fight on hbo 1.5 million http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing-experts-blog/gennady-golovkin-proves-big-hit-hbo-viewers-193916026–box.html
i could continue but im not there has been few cards that did little number but that’s when hbo and shotime are on at the same time splitting fans .. also these are paid programs with less viewers avaliable boxing is a beautiful sport and last 2 months every weekend feels something special is happening great run
exaggeration? not sure if i could post links on here but my comment is waiting moderation .. i put links to many cards fights this year many around a million and also over million on hbo and shotime a paid program … hopefully it comes up …no exaggeration at all buddy smh
Haha. I can see why you didn’t provide the sources.
You said Froch-Groves did 800k viewers on HBO and 1.2 m ppv buys. It did 700k viewers on HBO and you must have pulled that ppv number out of your ass, because they didn’t release the buy rate yet. You also neglected to mention that the ppv only cost $28, which would equate to a little more than 1/3rd what a Mayweather fight costs.
http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-scores-with-saturday-afternoon-viewers–78575
Arreola-Stiverne did 940k.
You also neglected to mention that Klitschko, the biggest draw in hw boxing only did 468k viewers.
Another thing that is rarely mentioned when discussing these numbers- big promotion boxing fights rarely televise as many main card fights as mma does, yet they are both calculated the same way. If the mma companies had less fights on their main card, the average viewers would be a little higher per event.
If you want to find out about boxing numbers, stop trolling mma websites and go to badlefthook or doghouse, etc. Believe it or not, this site was not made for boxing trolls.
JOV, how dare you post about Boxing on an article about the biggest Boxer and biggest Boxing promotion on earth. How dare you mention figures that couldn’t be true because any information that contradicts the UFC propaganda has to be flawed.
JOV, how dare you even read a website devoted to MMA payouts and money where complete liars and fools that are paid by the UFC. not in money but in free monthly fight pass memberships, post and try to bullshit the uninformed and the easily mislead. = D’s delusional reality and pathetic existence.
you are badly mistaken and idiot ….. i actually posted all guess it doesnt go thru posted alot of them … froch groves on afternoon! respect that! 4 pm night which is usually horrible time.. peaked at 830g peaked! arreoa stiverne peaked over a million avg 940g steve kim … you idiot you fail to mention klitschko was bought a week prior and with no commercials not many knew espn got the klitscko fight weirdo .. marquez-alavrdo kovalev-agnew all over a million thurman-diaz peaked over 800 g jesus golovkin last hbo peaked at 1.5 million andre ward- rodriguez peaked at 1.2 million nobody trollin anything chavez-vera peaked 1.4 mil cotto-rodriguez 1.5 million .. i love mma and boxing but boxing consistently have better ratings .. only time shotime or hbo dont do over or around a mil is when they facing each on the same night …. ufc ratings are not as good people make it out to be there solid …. if you take out the big fox primetime which that itself has been going lower and lower .. hbo and shotime are paid programs with much less viewers and lets take from kevin iowle hopkins-shumenov it did 760k undercard shawn porter destruction over paulie did 897k better than many fight night fox sports .. the punchline? on the same time same night it was the replay of pacq- bradley which alone did 689k ! telling me if pac replay wasnt on hopkins would have been around a mil easy ? boxing is and great run great fights 2 month span and schedule coming is only better
saldathief LOL! starting to see what you mean … only if he knew i’m big fan of ufc- bellator and also boxing … i do have dvr hahaha
“you are badly mistaken and idiot ….. i actually posted all guess it doesnt go thru posted alot of them …”
Haha. I guess you don’t believe in articles, yet you accuse others of being stupid. Pretty funny.
You weren’t talking about what they peaked at, you were talking about their averages. Don’t lie.
You are an idiot who can’t type in English. I can’t even understand about 90% of what you wrote, it is beyond incoherent. You exaggerate everything and are confused as to why MMAPAYOUT doesn’t cover every boxing figure.
Again, go to one of the boxing websites if you want all of those figures, rather than trolling on a mma website dummy.
SalDaQueef- you may want to take Arum’s nuts out of your mouth, you may begin to start speaking more reasonably. You dumbass boxing fruitcakes still don’t get that this is a mma website not boxing, you idiot.
By the way, no one lies more than DaQueef about numbers. He can’t get basic tax info down- probably because he is too busy rocking his mullet, breaking boards, and mastering the demo. Haha.
lol typing on your phone is not as smooth as it will be on a laptop … also didn’t know i to be perfect on mma boxing discussion and no i meant peaked .. everything i wrote was truth
http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/5/20/5734980/marquez-vs-alvarado-peaks-at-1-3-million-viewers-on-hbo-averages-1-2
http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalevs-hbo-headlining-debut-draws-over-1-million%E2%80%9376248
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/nielsen-ratings-1-3-million-tune-into-stevensonkovalev-twinbill-on-hbo-during-thanksgiving-weekend-232498
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=505687
lol typing on your phone is not as smooth as it will be on a laptop … also didn’t know i to be perfect on mma boxing discussion and no i meant peaked .. everything i wrote was truth
also i keep posted many links of all past cards and shit keeps saying awaiting moderation http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/5/20/5734980/marquez-vs-alvarado-peaks-at-1-3-million-viewers-on-hbo-averages-1-2 marquez-alvarado peaked at 1.3 million
kovalev -agnew reached over million http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalevs-hbo-headlining-debut-draws-over-1-million%E2%80%9376248
adonis stevenson- bellew peak at 1.3 million
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/nielsen-ratings-1-3-million-tune-into-stevensonkovalev-twinbill-on-hbo-during-thanksgiving-weekend-232498
keith thurman the beast first time as main event peaked 835g
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=505687
golovkin – stevens peaked at 1.5 million
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing-experts-blog/gennady-golovkin-proves-big-hit-hbo-viewers-193916026–box.html
Yea JOv i was jk, I myself have been a fight fan for decades, all forms, all kinds even the not so popular. Dont let a fool paid UFC turd like D discourage you or anyone from enjoying this forum. Jason works very hard to put out quality information and diaper boy D and before him another, payed by UFC with free fight pass, guy Brain smasher who quit or finally realized the truth, post UFC propaganda and get laughingly furious if anyone exposes the truth. Cant wait for Froch ppv numbers looks like UFC 175, a stacked event btw, is going to be a decent show imo will do 500k tops.
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You don’t have to be perfect, I just pointed out that you exaggerated. Whenever people discuss viewership from tv related to either sport, they are nearly always talking about the avg, not peak. The only peak number you mentioned initially was Stevenson.
Not everything you said was the truth, almost all of it was exaggerated. You also completely made up the ppv number for the Froch Groves fight. That takes balls.
JOV nice numbers but D cant get with reality from all the medication he has to take for being a fat picked on loser his entire life. The internet is where he tries to relinquish all his inner rage from being a diaper wearing loser who still wets the bed lol. Hows that free fight pass going D ? lmao ha you didnt think I knew how you get paid but I do, pathetic. Get a real job go bag groceries or something.
JOV keep posting those epic boxing numbers!!!
DaQueef, aren’t you a little old to be trolling mma websites mullet boy? You are an over 40 year old, mullet rocking, board breaker, who swallows Arum’s nuts on the welfare to work program and doesn’t know how to do basic business taxes. Talk about pathetic.
Talk about getting angry- go read your posts, you cry like a girl anytime someone proves your dumbass propaganda wrong. You lie about everything and troll an mma website because you are obviously threatened by the sports take over of the market share.
What is funny is if that ppv does around 500k buys it will be right around the same revenue that Froch-Groves II does. You still don’t get the math, do you, idiot?
chavez-vera rematch almost 1.4 million
http://mmapayout.com/2014/03/close-to-1-4-million-average-for-chavez-vera-rematch/
i mean should i continue? like i said before i’m a big ufc fan and boxing fan but lets not act like boxing is not doing very well … let’s not argue about this nonsense makes no sense … all i wanted was maybe for the site to go 100% percent boxing news ratings not just once in blue… stay safe guys
DaQueef, no one needs more meds than you considering you pathetic over 40 year old board breaker. Try some cardio board man. There is no one releasing their rage more here than you, ya twat. Everything you type is a shot against the sport the website is covering. You are the epitome of a troll, you idiot. You suck Aram’s dick on the welfare to work program you fag. Keep lying about the numbers mullet boy.
jov, you boxing boys love exaggerations- nearly all of your info is peak numbers of the big boxing events and you are comparing them to mma avg numbers in a down year. Where were you at all of the past 7 years when the ufc was destroying boxing annually in ppv revenue and buys? You weren’t talking about how great their numbers were. You are a boxing fan first, don’t lie, it is obvious with all of your posts.
Why would a website called MMAPAYOUT go 100% on boxing ratings? Go to badlefthook, and stop trolling here. If you want that information, they provide it. I don’t see the issue other than you enjoy trolling.
cotto- rodriguez peaked over 1.5 milllion http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/10/8/4817354/cotto-vs-rodriguez-does-boxings-highest-cable-rating-of-2013
By the way, none of those numbers compare to UFC’s FOX’s shows where they have non title fights or 125 lb title fights and poor lineups. And I don’t care if more people have access to FOX, that is gb/top rank’s, etc fault for not being able to get a network deal.
So to make this clear, the biggest fights being viewed every year in the US are the ufc’s on FOX, not boxing on hbo/showtime/espn, etc.
lol! you just brought up 3-4 cards on primetime fox! good job you win ! the funny part is the ratings has been dropping badly show after show … and dude i’m not here to debate !! i’m glad ufc and boxing are doing well i enjoy both …… hbo and shotime pay up alot money certain fights fighters and cards .. it be tough for a above a gatekeeper sakio bika 3rd fight on undercard to get over 400g on lets say espn or fox .. hbo and shotime budget a little more and at time fighters get paid more which is sometimes bullshit ! i mean damn edwin rodriguez got million dollars to face andre ward! edwin rodriguez! wtf
Haha. Yeah, and boxing doesn’t have a FOX deal- who’s fault is that? The ratings have been dropping because they put non title fights on there with unknowns to the casuals.
I can’t understand the rest of what you were saying.
i’m saying sakio bika got over 400g to be the third fight on the undercard …. espn fox nbc will not have a budget to have a okay fighter not close to elite to get 400g and be third fight on the card … but showtime does ….. hbo and showtime budget gives boxers on hbo and showtime top money ….. boxing actaully is on nbc actaully had 2 great fights actually amir monsour vs cunningham curtis stevens-johnson was 2 amazing wars. also espn 2 regularly have friday night fights also foxsports1 buttttt hbo and shotime are the big fights because they pay top money .. the rest are young up and comers or crossroads fights
also you bring up ppvs LOL oh lord …i tell you this .. this year boxing ppvs (which i hate that there are so many of them the same way i hate ufc have so many but for some reason you take pride of it) will be more than ufc . ufc 173 did around 150g smh … canelo- angulo did around or more than rousey and jon jones ppvs buys! …. cotto- martinez will do more .. pac -bradley did around 800g mayweather-maidana did 900 canelo – lara will do wel l .. time will tell for that .. and sidenote if golovkin-chavez happens in september i gaurantee that will do over 500g .. this was suppose to bad year ppvs for both ufc and boxing but boxing is doing solid ppvs so far
Someone in this string I think Said complemented me. LOL. Thanks.
I did not read this whole string to be honest but let me address the core question.
@Jov6388 – As the site states, our core content is MMA but when there is interesting boxing biz/legal news stories we post them. Same with pro wrestling. There are a lot of very interesting boxing biz/legal issues going on so we will keep up.
@jason cruz i hear you … i didn’t come to debate ….i enjoy the information the site shines on … this was a boxing article and i stated it be great if this sites delivers more boxing info not just once in a blue .. best of both worlds lol
JOV you cant reason with someone who is paid by The UFC to twist facts, numbers and generally try to bullshit everyone. Like I keep saying froch groves 2 does better then any UFC ppv in 2014 and possibly the best 2 UFC ppv combined. And it will out gross any ufc event for 2014. Well with 80,000 fans in a stadium, we are still waiting for a UFC stadium show Dana lol Hey D yea i’m am old fuck but you should be out chasing girls and getting laid instead of playing on your computer and watching fight pass. Even fat guys can get laid you should put down the video games and try to talk to a girl seriously you are a young guy go out and enjoy life. Ive live 5 lives already.
saldatief lol!! classic!
Again, I can’t comprehend almost everything you said, but basically what I got out of all that was that HBO/Showtime pay the fighters more. Well, the issue with that is their full pay does not come exclusively from the distributor.
Yes, I brought up ppvs, because each of the last 7 years, the ufc dominated the annual market share. It wasn’t even close. This may be the first year since 2006 that boxing sells more ppvs and the only reason for it is because the two biggest mma stars are out. If you want to see a crazy dip in ppv buys, just wait until Pac/Mayweather retire. Mayweather is going to most likely retire in a year and a half, so that won’t be long. So where were you for the last 7 years pointing out the huge ppv numbers for mma?
Meltzer didn’t release the numbers for 173, where are you getting your info from? Did you just fabricate another ppv number? Also, 173 was a replacement ppv, it was supposed to be Weidman-Belfort initially but was replaced by Barao. If that was a boxing ppv, the entire fight would have been taken off of ppv. Remember Maidana-Broner where they had to cancel the ppv and move the card from Vegas because it couldn’t sell shit and they knew the ppv would bomb? You see, when boxing knows they are going to tank, they just scrap the cards. The UFC goes through with the ppvs and simpletons think that is their typical ppv rate.
Golovkin-Chavez Jr, may very well not even happen and if it does, it may not happen on ppv. This is what happens nearly every year- a few boxing ppvs get cancelled. By the way, Canelo only did 350k buys in his last ppv, that is basically all he can do without a big name. And this was not supposed to be a bad ppv year for boxing, quite the opposite. They had a ton of ppvs scheduled.
Jason, keep up the good work, this was not an attack on you guys. Just the boxing trolls that come here, I’m sure you are well aware of their presence by now.
SalDaQueef, no one can take a welfare to work hired boxing troll who spews out lies and exaggerations non stop like you. All you do is lie, then when someone calls you out on it, you throw a fit. Get Arum’s nuts out of your mouth and go troll somewhere else you fruitcake.
It is going to be hilarious when the UFC does a bigger show this year than your beloved UK show and you lie and dodge the information like its the plague. I’m not going to be surprised when you do it though because you are a 40 something board breaking mullet.
I get laid more in a week (with females unlike you) than you’ve ever had in your life, seeing how you only do dudes. I work online, and when I have downtime, I smack around idiots like you. What is your excuse fatty? All you do is sit in front of a computer like an old fat fuck and spew out propaganda slandering an entire sport. You are definitely on disability. It is obvious.
Aren’t you a little old for this? How pathetic are you?
you could have the ppv buys but i love when you said ”This may be the first year since 2006 that boxing sells more ppvs and the only reason for it is because… lol i guess you love paying for ppvs some of us don’t have that money to be paying boxing and ufc ppvs … canelo at 350g was around same rousey and jon jones .. jon jones best fighter in ufc.. add to cotto-martinez canelo-lara will do more then jon jones … also you said golovkin-chavez maybe wont be ppv? you silly guy … lastly boxing don’t survive well in ppv due to the fact we pay for shotime and hbo to watch it already!! LOL can you imagine hbo and shotime then ppvs everywhere fuck no … different politics … i was talking about ratings you jump to ppvs then you say this yr boxing might do more smh man i remember marquez-bradley outsold cain- dos santos same fight dana said was important in ufc smh boxing ufc doing great …good for us … peace stay safe
Yeah, and up until this year Jones was like the 3rd or 4th highest ppv draw in the UFC, just like Canelo is in boxing. Jones also is not the best fighter in the UFC.
Cotto-Martinez won’t do more than Jones-Gustafsson II. You like comparing apples with oranges. Go look at Jones’ past ppvs. They are much higher than his last two which at the time were not well known opponents. Yes, I said Golovkin-Chavez might get scrapped. Not long ago, they cut off negotiations. They just started them back up, but even if the fight goes down, the date is being pushed way back and it may not be on ppv. This is what happens in boxing from time to time. You don’t pay for showtime and hbo already. The overwhelming majority of people do not pay for those two for boxing. It is a very small percentage. Boxing can’t sell with multiple stars, that is why. The promoters/boxers always prefer ppv. It brings in much more money than tv. They just can’t sell as many as the ufc can. This year, they are going for a very high number and I bet you anything they still don’t do what the ufc did last year in buys.
Yeah, boxing might do more ppvs this year, where were you for the last 7 when the ufc was? You weren’t on here telling someone how impressed you were with their numbers over boxing. I bet you anything if I looked into the archives, I would find you arguing with someone over the numbers.
Marquez-Bradley did less than the top 7 ufc ppvs last year. Haha. You lie and exaggerate about nearly everything.
I noticed you dodged the ppv numbers for UFC 173 and Froch-Groves II. You literally just pulled those numbers out of thin air. How pathetic to lie like that.
first off marquez-bradley was almost same time frame cain- dos santos that’s why i used it … second off froch- groves is projected to do over million ppv buys go research yourself .. go to steve kim dan rafael twitter they talked about it on their twitter .. then you said cotto-martinez wont do more than jones gustafsson 2 but they will top their first fight 310g ?! lol come on man also you said something about broner-maidana was scrapped yes it was ….few reasons why .. money and building broner up .. but i tell you this it will have gone to ppv it would have done better than .. henderson pettis 270g henderson-evens 140 aldo-jung 180g bara faber 230g but somehow you are proud of them being ppvs! okay buddy … and again you are silly if you don’t think boxing fans don’t get hbo and shotime for boxing .. you think spainish people people cubans pricans mexicans in the states get hbo for game of thrones?
You used Marquez-Bradley and Velasquez-JDS III, because you are an exaggerator. You take a ufc fight that was a major disappointment, all while ignoring the fact that 7 other ppvs outdrew Marquez-Bradley last year. You love comparing apples with oranges.
Groves was PROJECTED by the promoter to do 1m buys, not 1.2 that you just made up out of thin air and said that was the actual number with zero evidence to back it up. You lied, I called you out on it. Just admit you lied. Then you lied about ufc 173.
Of course Cotto-Martinez will top Jones-Gus I. No casuals knew who the hell Gus was. They were predicting a low draw for that fight. The rematch is going to be big. Everyone knows it.
No, Broner-Maidana was scrapped because they couldn’t sell tickets, period. The fight bombed financially so they had to move it out of Vegas and scrap the ppv. Go look it up. You lie more.
It would not have done better than any of those fights. It probably would have done under 100k buys. No one was buying tickets. No one was willing to pay for it. You don’t know what you are talking about.
By the way, you exaggerate more: Aldo-Jung was another replacement fight as was Evans-Henderson. You love using ufc fights that are last minute replacements and acting like they are the norm.
You are an idiot if you think that people get hbo/showtime as a whole for boxing. Very few people only get it for boxing. You can’t call that a boxing pay channel like fightpass is for the ufc or like the wwe pay network. It is absurd to compare them. It would be just as unreasonable as saying that people get cable for FS1 to watch ufc fights. It just doesn’t work.
Its also important to remember that Boxing is getting these respectable numbers while being on premium networks which have 30-35% of the audience that network tv or basic cable have. So when Boxing gets 1 million viewers its the equvilant to get triple that on basic or network tv. also Boxing doesnt aggresively market upcoming fights on HBO & Showtime
Cotto-Martinez this weekend!
UFC owes $485 million due next June. How will they repay it?
http://www.zuffainvestoralerts.org/2013/01/zuffa-basic-financials.html
prediction Cotto Martinez does as well as any UFC ppv in 2014.
D, not a good idea to threaten people online, you’re an internet dork so you must know that its not only stupid but shows what a total ass clown pansy you really are. Another internet tough guy lmao give me a fucking break son, do you even have hair on your nut sack yet? Im sure you beat up your little sister over use of the family computer but grow up. funny how no one agrees with any of your nonsense on here and we are all MMA fans fuck stick so get real or get lost no one cares what you say and you aren’t convincing anyone either. I guess the UFC is wasting $9.95 a month paying you to post here bahhahahaha
Fightbusiness, you guys love to lie and exaggerate everything. First off, network tv and basic cable do not have the same amount of people with access. The UFC is also on a network that is new and struggling as a whole. Boxing absolutely aggressively markets their fights on HBO/Showtime, much more so than any mma fight, unless we are talking about boxing after dark and other lower profile fights they have. You guys also ignore that most big ufc fights are on ppv, while many title fights in boxing are on hbo/showtime thus giving them a boost in ratings because they are higher profile fights. Plus, it is not mma’s fault that boxing can’t get a network deal. Just goes to show which sport is gaining in popularity and which is losing in popularity.
SalDaQueef, prediction, you come out of the closet prior to 2015.
Where did I threaten anyone?
A dork? Haha. Says the 40 plus, mullet rocking, board breaker. Talk about pathetic. You geriatric.
You are the furthest thing from a mma fan. You are a boxing/karate troll who is pissed off that real fighting is closer related to mma and not boxing/board breaking. You’ve never stepped foot in a gym in your life and you are clearly on the boxing welfare to work program which relies on you spewing your lies and boxing propaganda on a mma website. Get Arum’s nuts out of your mouth, you little queen. I guarantee you are a severe fat, diabetic who can’t work a real job, so he just trolls mma websites in order to release his frustration. The only people who agree with your lies and exaggerations are other boxing trolls.
You’ll notice mma fans almost never do this on boxing websites. It only happens on mma sites because middle aged adult children, boxing fanboys are so threatened by mma. Haha.
D- About 28-32 million people have access to HBO & Showtime. Its about 90 million for basic cable and about 105 million for network TV. Thats triple the audience potential and even more for Network. When i say agressively promote I’m not talking about Jim Lampley talking about an upcoming fight, I mean billboards things of that nature. Also remember Boxing is on SUPER late like midnight. If main events happened at 9pm you would see a additional spike in ratings. UFC has had many big name fighters on basic cable that havent done great: Machida, Belfort, Evans, Bisping, Sonnen, rarely do they crack 1.5 million. Fox is also a new basic cable network but cmon it should be doing better because the major network is always plugging it. UFC isnt done its just peaked in the U.S and its oversaturated. Get back to one event a month and they’ll do OK about 1.5 million a show on basic 2.5 on network
HBO/Showtime obviously promotes their ppv fights with much more money, but they still have non stop commercials when they have a fight like Marquez-Alvarado. They promote those fights more than the ufc/bellator does with its tv fights. Boxing comes on super late on the weekends, not during the week typically, so no the ratings wouldn’t make a difference. What time do you think the UFC/Bellator’s main event comes on? It isn’t 9pm, typically around 11:30pm.
Nearly all of your figures/examples are complete exaggerations. You say those fighters rarely crack 1.5m, okay, how often does ANY boxing fight crack 1.5m? Almost never. How did Stiverne-Arreola do on basic cable-with a much more popular channel like ESPN? How did Klitschko’s fight do on ESPN? 468k. Pathetic.
It hasn’t peaked in the US at all, they are having a down year ppv’s wise because they lost their two biggest stars and the ppv industry as a whole is down. Wait until Mayweather retires in a year and a half. See what happens to their ppv numbers.
Remember in 2007 when Joe Rogan said after De lahoya and Jermaine Taylor is gone boxing will have no more superstars?
Now we have yet another moron touting the same exact thing 7 years later. It is simply amazing how small-minded UFC fans are. They are nerds of the highest degree… Not a compliment.
Sampson=Smell E.
I never said there won’t be any more stars in boxing. I said that boxing will take a drastic dip in their ppv numbers when Floyd retires. If you honestly can’t see the fact that he is one of the biggest ppv stars of all time, and it is extremely difficult to replace him, you are an idiot.
MMA fans are nerds? How about WWE fans like yourself? Nothing more pathetic than adult children who think pro wrestling is real.
The funny thing is everybody said the same exact thing about De laHoya, Tyson, etc. “Once they’re gone… Boxing will go down!” Ahahahahahaha
Somehow these small minded UFC fans never learn. Their gullibility makes it so easy to sell them a crappy product.
$450 million due next year. Dana sweating bullets
The funny thing is you are using a time frame that covers nearly 30 years of boxing with only 3 names. So obviously it isn’t very easy for these guys to be replaced. What is even more interesting is that you neglect to realize that when Tyson was in his prime in the ppv game, boxing dominated the ppv industry. They don’t anymore. The last 7 years was dominated by the UFC. The 18-35 demo is more interested in mma than boxing. Also, part of the reason Mayweather can generate those buy rates are because he is arguably the best fighter in the past decade of boxing. He never lost. Had he lost, his numbers would have dipped significantly- look at what happened to Pacquaio’s.
450m in debt, close to 700m per year in revenue, low overhead, no sweating.
$700 million in Gross Revenue? Hardly… Looking at less than $30 million net.
Don’t you realize how pathetic you are? You lie about everything. All of your energy goes into trolling a mma website, which is a sport that you don’t like. You use alias accounts so that it appears people are agreeing with you. Really shameless stuff.
Ahahahahahaha!
This is hilarious. She is so mad… When all else fails. CRY!
UFC is garbage. It is simply the truth. They will need a SERIOUS bailout next year when they need to cough up the loot.
Samantha=Smell E
Daer Lord D- again Boxing rarely cracks 1.5 million viewers because it only has access to 1/3 the audience but it consistantly hits 1 million. Boxing fights on HBO sometimes start at midnight, UFC fights on basic cable absolutely do not. 10pm the latest. Thats a big difference. By the way the Froach fight just got 800,000plus at 4pm. Aerola is garbage and he got one million. Adamek fought on NBC last year at 3pm and got 3 million viewers. No one on god’s green earth knew Klitschko was even fighting including myself and I love boxing. the heavy’s have no stars. Dude gets millions of viewers in Germany and can sell out a stadium. Boxing can get a network deal in a freakin heartbeat. Its just that there are to many promoters so the networks dont know who to deal with. If Top Rank and Golden Boy worked together they’d get a deal tommorow. I dont want a network TV deal. To much pressure and political correctness to deal with. Not worth it.
Ufc keeps comparing itself to.boxing….boxing is in the olympics.boxing has many promotions worldwide making money…boxing is global…and boxing pay is big while ufc pays peanuts
UFC & Dana White spent and continue to spend too much time bad mouthing boxing. It has back fired badly as many boxing fans are done giving the product a chance.
All my friends who used to get both boxing and UFC events now ONLY get boxing. It is a fad that is waning quickly…
ESPN has a bigger audience than FS1 does genius. Also, most big boxing matches are on free tv. The biggest mma fights are on ppv. More of your apples to oranges. You guys exaggerate everything.
You are dead wrong about the time the fights start. First off, most boxing matches on HBO start around 11:30, and most ufc fights, the headliners don’t fight until around 11- 11:30. It isn’t much of a difference. What is a difference though is that ufc fights on tv always have 5 main card fights and the avg for the event is used as a whole for all 5 fights which boxing does not have the same situation. With boxing, you generally only get 2-3 fights at most on tv and they take the avg from that. Seeing how there are many low profile fights on the ufc’s 1st or 2nd fight for the night, that brings the average down. Of course, you ignore this stat.
Froch did not get 800k live, he did 700k live. Arreolla is a top ten fighter as was Stiverne who is now probably going to fight Klitschko and did not hit a million, he hit 940k- more exaggerations. By the way, when was the last hw boxing ppv? I knew Klitschko was fighting, they promoted it on ESPN all week. Just no one cared though in the US. Good for the German market which is a fraction of the US market.
Boxing can get a network deal in a heartbeat? HAHAHAHA!! If they could they would do it. The promoters seem to have no problem getting deals with HBO/Showtime. What would be the difference? There is none. They just can’t get a deal done. Their business model would lose money.
Smell E=Samantha
D- http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-groves-ii-scores-with-saturday-afternoon-viewers–78575
At the peak of the fight it hit 830k viewers. Again at 4pm and the casual Boxing fan doesnt even care about Froch. Also remember the fight was reaired a few hours later so even more viewers saw it. Do you honestly believe if Oscar Delahoya and Bob Arum picked up a phone and told a network that they would work in unison for a network deal they couldnt get one? They stay with HBO because working with other promoters for a network deal is exhausting and HBO pays them very well. They also dont have to stress out about getting awesome ratings. A network deal is so not worth it. A basic cable deal would make boxing MASSIVE!! Hbo would never ket it happen. Aerolla is a top ten garbage fighter. Put Andre Berto against Robert Guerrero on ESPN that also does over 1.5 million viewers easy.
Haha. You guys love using peaks when referring to boxing, but you use averages when talking about ufc numbers. Pure exaggerations. The event when aired live averaged 700k viewers.
You are clueless. Why would it matter if GB/Top Rank work together in getting a network deal. They don’t work together right now and they both have deals with HBO/Showtime separately. What is your logic? Makes zero sense. You just make things up. It wouldn’t make business sense for them, because they would lose money. That is the key. You act like FOX doesn’t pay the UFC well. 100m per year buddy.
Where are you from? There are big boxing matches on basic cable now. ESPN is distributing the events now. They just had 2 major hw boxing matches, the Klitschko fight bombed and the Stiverne-Arreola(both top 10) fight did under 1m avg viewers- doesn’t seem too massive to me.
Delusions.
D- A Tv deal works for UFC because the networks only has to work with one company and the UFC doesnt have any problems making fights happen on their own. Boxing cant structure a deal likewith network tv because there are too many companies and many of them hate each other. Its hard. Look at how HBO recently dumped Golden Boy. having one Klitscko fight and 1 fight with a average fighter like fatty Aereola isnt exactly getting in the Boxing game.
I don’t understand this blind spot you are creating. Why would it work fine on premium tv and not regular tv promotions wise? HBO recently dumped GB, yes, and boxing still has fights on HBO!!!! Your argument makes zero sense.
Fatty Aereola wasn’t the A fighter in the headline, Stiverne was. He is going to fight Klitschko next and if Klitschko isn’t a big enough name for you, it just goes to show how delusional you are. You act like the FOX shows with Browne vs Werdum are superstar headliners. They put their B cards on FOX shows typically. Boxing has almost always all of their stars fight on tv other than Mayweather/Pac, it is very different in mma.
@jov and @D – no worries guys. Post as much as you like and we’ll try to keep up 🙂
Fight business knows the truth for sure. A network deal for boxing wouldn’t work for the promoters or the networks. No network in their right mind would bid against HBO or Showtime.