The Wrestling Observer (subscription recommended) reports the PPV estimated buy rates for the last two UFC events. UFC 185 drew 275,000 while the much-maligned UFC 186 garnered somewhere between 100,000-125,000 buys. It also updates the estimate for UFC 184.
The PPV estimates are based on information obtained from Dave Meltzer. UFC 185 featured two title fights with Rafael dos Anjos winning the lightweight title from Anthony Pettis and Joanna Jedrzejczyk’s victory over Carla Esparza for the women’s strawweight title. Yet, it failed to break 300,000 PPV buys.
Most expected the poor PPV buys for UFC 186 so the 100,000-125,000 PPV buy rate estimate seems appropriate and might even be better than anticipated. It’s the second time that Demetrious Johnson has main evented a PPV with such low PPV buy rates. His fight at UFC 174 against Ali Bagauitinov mustered just 115,000 PPV buys. UFC 186, taking place in Montreal, was hindered by the cancellations of the rematch between TJ Dillashaw and Renao Barao and then the Rory MacDonald-Hector Lombard fight was called off. On top of that, there was the removal of Rampage Jackson from the card only to be added back onto the card after a trial court’s injunction was overturned by a New Jersey appellate court during fight week. UFC 185 featured Demetrious Johnson taking on Kyoji Horiguchi.
On the bright side, UFC 184 PPV featuring Ronda Rousey’s quick tapout of Cat Zingano is up to 590,000 buys.
Below are the PPV buy rate estimates this year so far:
Payout Perspective:
While the UFC had a great first quarter of PPVs, it has produced two shows that many believe underperformed and/or underwhelmed. Even with two title fights and hometown favorite Johny Hendricks on the UFC 184 card, it still did not produce on PPV. UFC 185 was expected to draw low PPV numbers based on the constant shuffling on the card and the stark reality that Johnson just does not draw PPV buys. We should see a bounce back with next week’s UFC 187. Even without Jon Jones, we should see a decent buy rate with Weidman-Belfort and Cormier-Johnson heading the card.
Good to see someone not just going on the word of the promoter and doing some research.
Wow Rousey is the new PPV queen of MMA. Dana and the girls are scratching their heads. MMA is going to shit fast! Ultimate Female Championship, how did this happen? Oh I know! a bunch of greedy, stupid, arrogant dip shits, that borrowed way too much money and pissed it all away on the wrong things . Hahah Good luck!
Hahaha. Although Rousey’s ppv was the 3rd highest this year behind Silva and Jones, she still has outdrawn every boxer over the past 7 YEARS not named Pacquaio or Mayweather!!! HAHAHAHA!! What’s going to happen when those two fighters in their late 30s retire shortly? Sal’s going to self destruct.
yea and wwe divas has millions of views, I guess the UFC is becoming that kind of thing.. what a sport hahahaha Huge weekend for Boxing again bahahaha
Ronda Rousey……. more ppv buys as an A, than the following boxers- Canelo Alvarez, GGG, Andre Ward, Danny Garcia, Vladimir Klitschko, JM Marquez, Adrien Broner, etc.
How pathetic of a sport where the biggest stars are outdrawn by a woman in another sport that you claim is less popular and dying! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Its ok D go ahead, be a fan of the Ultimate women Championship, haha I hear the Kardashian’s and Miley Cyrus will be fighting in the cage soon! hahaha UFC has fair weather fans! Boxing has serious life long hard chore fans! hahahaha
Miley Cyrus could get more ppv buys reading a book than every boxer not named pacquaio or mayweather! HAHAHA!!
And yeah, the UFC has such fair weather fans, they can sell a piece of shit ppv fight card with Demetrious Johnson headlining and still get 100-125k ppv buys, meanwhile, Adrien Broner, a bigger named boxer, and the alleged future of the welterweight division, has his ppv’s scrapped and moved out of Vegas because he can’t sell tickets to them. HAHAHAHA!
Hahahaha….its the ufc pr….strong first quarter….fastest growing sport hahahahahahahaHa
With UFC 186 pulling such abysmal numbers, the question is now… is the UFC even breaking even on that event? They need to get their head out of their ass and realize that just because it’s a title fight it doesn’t automatically mean PPV, this ain’t 2006.
Now for UFC 185 I wasn’t expecting such low numbers… it was a stacked card, but then again the Hendricks and Overeem fights were not even advertized properly, focusing more on the women’s title fight that nobody cared about. Still, the event vastly underperformed and shows the UFC only has a couple of people that can carry a PPV–and now with one of them in legal trouble, it’s not looking good for the UFC.
I am looking forward to UFC 187, that one will pull decent numbers, but definitely not UFC 182 numbers.
Man, what a toxic comment section.
Anyway, it’ll be interesting if Rousey with a Holly Holm (!) co-main outdraws the 205 + 185 titles at UFC 187. It certainly seems possible. Who would’ve thought that a year or two ago?
Who would’ve thought the 145 belt would ever headline over the 170 belt? And UFC 189 definitely has a chance to be biggest PPV of the year.
We live in crazy times…
Logical and billy,
Good posts.
– Agree, very toxic board.
– Not sure why people would come on here and make fun of the above UFC ppv results. To those doing that (‘saldathief’, TopsE’) you are showing how uneducated you are. One bad event doesn’t always make or break a year. If saldathief and E had even done a minute of research, they would have seen that the five UFC ppv events of 2015, they have drawn in an estimated 2.36 million buys so far. An average of 471,000 per ppv event. That’s a 76% INCREASE from the average rate of 2014. The UFC ownership has got to be very happy with that, especially with some very big events coming soon, that will easily top 600k buys.
– I’m also not sure why ‘saldathief’ would make fun of Ronda Rousey. She is a legitimate athlete. A 2008 Bejing Olympics medalist in Judo. A UFC champion. An athlete that actually FINISHES her opponents, rather than ducking and jiving her way around the ring for 36 minutes, trying to win on points. And not to rub salt on the wound, FMJ wouldn’t last 2 minutes with her, before having his arm broken. One really shouldn’t throw stones at someone like Rousey, while defending a pillow fighter like FMJ
…but wait, I guess some of you need to defend FMJ, right? Probably going to next tell me has can finish someone? After all, I guess that’s true. He does have a very nice finishing record in KO’ing untrained women he’s hit. His record is stellar there, with beating up girls who don’t fight back. So yeah, I suppose I can see why some of you knucklheads would bash Rousey. You are ‘boxing’ fans. Women shouldn’t compete in your opinion. They should stay in the kitchen, where piece of shit &$#$%$’s like FMJ can punch them out. Props to you saldathief. You are a man’s man.
LOL… embarrassing numbers.
OH BOY MATT! another academic trying to preach UFC propaganda bullshit! please save your crap for someone who doesn’t know any better! Big UFC fight tomorrow in the AM! 2 great fighters Faber and Edgar, too bad the UFC and most of the retarded fans wouldn’t know a good fight or a good fighter if he punched them in their stupid faces!
What are you fucking rousey too? like everyone else? Sure she is a great fighter no doubt., there is no one in her league, but lets not revolve 50% of the UFC and mma around her! Another fuck tard with the comparison boxer/mma, shows how ignorant you are to sports, go back to your ex box and wwe and leave boxing and UFC to the big boys! You sound like a younger and stupider Joe Rogan. The only thing that is toxic is the lies, bullshit and exploitation of the athletes and the fans by the UFC! Another boxing hater, with a bunch of lies and lame ass UFC talking points, with no numbers to try to prove some mystical useless point, Matt did you read your talking points of the daily UFC media email like D does? Try to be original and stop using recycled crap that’s been said for a decade!!
BAHAHAHAHAHA
This whole week I swear i’ve been going blind. Earlie in the week I could have sworn i heard the Mayweather/pac fight did 4.4 million ppv buys & a 72 million dollar gate!!!! That cant be right its just too earth shattering a fuckin record. Now I swear I see the UFC gett pv’s for 100k. My eyes cant be seeing this stuff. Wasnt the UFC bigger than the sweet science and suppose to swallow Boxing by now? BAHAHAHAHA
I have 4 objectives as a Boxing Fan and all ready the second is coming to fruison.:
To disprove that Boxing is dying as all the MMA roid head fans have been yelling. This weeks mayweather numbers shut them up forever. they can never bring that argument up again. no matter what slump boxing ever faces.
The second is to prove that mma was only popular for 5 years because of a disenfranchised white audience in Boxing. The sport will be almost non exsistant in 5 years. Mark my words. I predicted this 10 years ago. They already are dying but they still hide behind the whole “we’re still growing” bullshit argument. that wont fly in 5 years and investors and fans will realize its over.they will leave the sport.Fox network will drop them and fox sports 1 will renew them for 60% of the current cost. Trust me shits over now.
“toxic board my ass” the only thin that is toxic are the UFC’s PPV numbers BAHAHAHA. Its only toxic because dry humping supporters are getting destroyed. D’s lying again. “Rousey makes more money than anyone not named maywether or pac” Bitch she makes more money than anyone not named Silva . By the way she only did one event on her own that did over 500k. everyother event she piggybacked over someone else. i remember she had a 300k event once on her own. shes not a star and people only like her because shes fuckin hot. of course horny married men will pay to see her. if she looked like cyborg no one would care. marquez vs bradley did 600k on its own with no undercard. so what are you talking about. Shes not bigger than canelo. his ppv’s were against people who were good but nobody knew. Put canelo against Cotto, Ward, GGG and he will destro Rousey’s ppv numbers. the dry humping league is dying. d’s excuse “at least we give accurate numbers” yes they accurately show dry humping is no longer interesting.
See what I mean Matt? This comment board is littered with retards like these two who are just insecure boxing fans that troll on here because they hate the fact that mma has taken over as the leader in the market share.
Fagbusiness is as delusional as Sal is. Two tards that hate the reality setting in that boxing is an old sport with old fans and old fighters.
And not to forget Sampson Mr. 60 aliases aka now Pink Pig.
Logical,
I agree 100%. With so much entertainment competing for my dollar, I’m a lot choosier about the PPVs I buy and apparently so are other fans. The Canelo-Kirkland fight last weekend did great numbers on HBO, but probably would have bombed on PPV coming so soon after the crapfest that was Manny v. Floyd (I would not have bought it but I definitely watched on HBO). That kind of judgement has been missing from some UFC cards.
I’ve been calling for a long time for the UFC to limit PPVs and put most fights on free TV. While they were still pulling 200-300k per PPV they could likely sustain the number of PPVs, but surely there’s a floor somewhere where it no longer makes sense to pay fighters and production costs for fights that no one is watching. I hope we’re there.
Matt and Billy, yes this is a toxic comments section – pretty much like every other sports site. But there are still good comments to be found. Just skim quickly through the bullshit comments. You can those easily due to their excessive use of all caps and punctuation.
Well, yeah. I agree Diego. ‘FightBusiness’ and ‘saldathief’ are both obviously younger kids. I’m guessing under 21, judging by how fast they are to open every one of their replies with all caps shouting. Stuff like ….”BAHAHAHAHAHA” and “OH BOY MATT!” Yep. Sure fire sign they lack the confidence to let their words stand on their own, so they try to add that stuff to help their points. Immaturity.
You also see it in how they reply too. Salkdthief rarely notices what one writes. As soon as I mentioned something positive, he immediately dismisses my comments as ‘propoganda’, without actually addressing the content. Reality is this. UFC’s numbers are up 76% from last year, after five PPV’s. The average this year has been 471k per event. That pretty much beats every non-FMJ/Manny event. That’s not a knock on boxing, just pointing out the shows have sold well. (and that doesn’t mean every show will do well)
Funnier yet, he goes on to dismiss my points, as I have don’t have numbers to back the above up. Yet right there, I provided numbers. Funny stuff.
Kids will be kids. Maybe if I put my comment on YouTube, with graphics, he might be better able to understand them. My bigger words might be confusing him.
Believe it or not Sal is close to 50 and Fagbusiness is in his late 30s.
FightBusiness said,
“toxic board my ass” the only thin that is toxic are the UFC’s PPV numbers BAHAHAHA”
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But the numbers after five comments, are up 76% from last year. Estimates are showing that the UFC total buys are around 2.37 million already in mid June, not far away from the 3.2 million they did all last year (2014). With another 7 to 8 PPV events still yet to come, they are easily going to be higher than last year. I do have to ask, what exactly is so ‘toxic’ about that?
When talking the bottom line, you have to look at the all the events. Not just the worst performing one. Comparing year to year, and trends, is a far better indicator than isolating one poor performing event. Which by the way, was expected to mostly bomb. Everyone knew that was coming.
But why focus on what we all knew was going to be a bad UFC PPV event? If you want to focus on the negative, why not focus on boxing’s negatives. Like Saul Alvarez, ‘Canelo’. He’s tossed around as a boxing superstar. He was undefeated before losing to FMJ. Big name. Yet promoters have only allowed him to wade into the PPV waters three times in his 47 fights? WTF? And in the two that didn’t have FMJ…he did around 300k buys. Yikes. If you want to focus on bad numbers, there’s a start. And that’s not even a confirmed ppv number, it’s a promoters hyped estimate.
I could go all the way down the line, pulling up dozens and dozens of top billed boxers who have had toxic ppv results. Which is pretty much almost everyone recently, other than Manny and FMJ.
3,200
2,357
Fightbusiness & Leon(who has not surprisingly disappeared) bet me that the ufc wouldn’t hit 5m buys this year. That is why Mr. Soon to be Fagbusiness is going nuts over this. He also said they would be lucky to hit 4m buys, which to anyone with a clue on the matter realizes that will be accomplished by July after the next 3 ppvs go down.
Let’s discuss Gennady Golovkin next. Another sort of boxing superstar. He’s been fighting for what? Eight years? Nine years? Has his promoters even attempted to let him test the PPV waters yet? I don’t follow this fighter colsely, so I am not 100% sure as of this past year….but I don’t think so.
The UFC and boxing operate differently when it comes to PPV models. Apples and oranges.
The UFC schedules fixed PPV dates and then sticks to them mostly. Come rain or shine, the event goes on with a certain fighter (or fighters) being propped up to lead the event. Or ‘sell’ the event I should say. If an event is short on headliners(or someone gets hurt), you do occasionally get events like UFC 186 that sold 125k. The event was forced to use Demetrious Johnson & Kyoji Horiguchi. These two were never supposed to headline. They were forced there by others being injured. The show still went on though.
Boxing? Boxing’s industry hides fighters, like Gennady Golovkin. If they aren’t 100% positive they can sell a fight, they hide them on HBO or other places. Take Golovkin. He’s been fighting for eight years and not once has a promoter propped him up to lead an event. Forced him to headline, sell a show. For all we know, if he were propped up (and not against another big name like FMJ)….he would most likely suffer horrible ppv sales, probably well south of 200k. Reality is, if boxing followed the UFC model, they would be getting killed on PPV events, routinely doing sub 100k numbers. There just aren’t enough Mannys or Floyds to go around.
Looking it up, there were only seven boxing PPV events in 2014.
– FMJ had two events. Estimates at 1.825 million (912k per ppv)
– Manny had two events. Estimates at 1.100 million (550k per ppv)
– ……the other three events (Cotto, Alvarez x 2) did 965k (321k per event)
Look at that. All the boxing divisions and belts out there. Dozens of champions and different organizations. And boxing could only find TWO other fighters to prop up on the PPV event schedule? Only two other fighters to test the ppv waters? That’s ridiculous. It shows no confidence in what they currently have after Manny and FMJ. And that’s over the past three, four or five years. Maybe even longer.
Right now, boxing only has two fighters it can confidently put up to headline an event, and get good PPV numbers. That’s not a lot of depth. It’s embarrassing.
That all said. I’m not going to say that the UFC is really that much stronger, but it’s shown a willingness to at least give it’s fighters a chance to headline. Test the waters. Right now, the UFC has at least ten fighters who have shown to be able to at least headline an event. Diaz, Silva, Sonnen (he’s gone though), GSP, Jones, Rousey, McGregor, Weidman, etc…I’m probably missing another half dozens or so. There’s most certainly more depth here. Athletes who sell an event, and get 500 to a million ppv buys.
Boxing best pray that the 39 year old FMJ and 37 year old Manny stay healthy.
D, did you double-book yourself? That’s automatic exclusion for a bet. Don’t worry, I check in from time to time to see you go on about the same non-sense.
“Fightbusiness & Leon(who has not surprisingly disappeared) bet me that the ufc wouldn’t hit 5m buys this year.” – D for Delusional (soon)
What did you bet with Fight Business, what were the terms? You obviously can’t change your name for both of us if we win.
Even if you did fuck up like that, which I wouldn’t be surprised, the bet is just getting more interesting. What a disaster for PPV headlines this year – probably close to the amount of switch-a-roos/cancellations (or even more) of 2014! Hahaha you thought it would stop, don’t think so.
Will likely be lots of injuries and replacements for the rest of the year. Will laugh my ASS off if Conor/Aldo gets canned, since that seems to be the UFCs PPV of the year.
Finally, what’s Cain going to do? 225k?
The ufc has placed the pretending to be smart trolls in this site hahahahaha
matt- D created the childish tone on this website. we tried like holy hell to keep it civil but his autism would always kick in and he would use phrases like BAHAHA and LOL. I even stopped addressing him for weeks but he kept talking to me like a mental patient. we placed a bet that the UFC wouldnt do 5 million ppv buys ths year. if he lost his nickname would become “i love ding ding”. i know very mature.
the ufc has mediocre results because they put a crap load of athletes on their card and only pay them 50k and a bucket of chicken. if boxing could stack cards they would be able to have more ppv events. but they cant because they have to pay their fighters well. hbo a premiere channel also needs programming that gets good ratings so they need to save great fighters for them also. Canelo vs Cotto, GGG, Ward, would do anywhere from 600k to 1 million each. GGG & canelo will get them through the next three years as will the eventual sleeper candidiate. i’m betting on a very new kid called Felix Verderjo.
Leon
The UFC has already sold (based on available guestimates by Meltzer’s newsletter) around 2.36 million buys, after five events. (472k per event) There appears to be eight UFC ppv’s left this year. If they keep averaging 472k ppv buys per event, they will hit a total of 5.67 million ppv buys.
As far as what Cain will do in UFC in UFC 188? Who knows. I would guess 350k to 450k. If he hits that, it will be more than what every boxer out there who isn’t named Manny or FMJ does. Take that, for what it’s worth when being critical.
btw, how’s Gennady Golovkin and Wladimir Klitschko ppv events doing these days? Are they hitting 250k? 200k? 150k? I eagerly await your answer.
leon- he will have that name “i love ding ding” or i will be fag business for 3 months. the bet is the ufc cant hit 5 million ppv buys this year and they wont. they wont even do 4.5 but the bet is 5. we will compromise on his nickname with anyone else on this board once he losses and lord knows he will. d refuses to give his age. he’s the 21 year old living with mommy
Fightbusiness
you said,
“D created the childish tone on this website. we tried like holy hell to keep it civil but his autism would always kick in and he would use phrases like BAHAHA and LOL”
Well…I’m not talking to you that way. I am actually putting up fact, real numbers and giving you all actual real information. So why talk like some nitwitted teenager, when dealing with me? I’m not doing that. You should follow suit. If you have a point to say to me, then simply state it. Talk like an adult and have a civil conversation.
Fightbusiness, you said
“the ufc has mediocre results because they put a crap load of athletes on their card and only pay them 50k and a bucket of chicken. if boxing could stack cards they would be able to have more ppv events. but they cant because they have to pay their fighters well”
Have you seen the payouts on some of those HBO cards? Here’s an old link, but it shows some boxing cards. I’m not seeing these bottom feeding fighters being paid very well. In fact, while it is a few years old, these payouts are worse than the UFC in many respects. The question I have to ask then is if. Why aren’t some of you guys attacking ‘HBO’ like you attack the ‘UFC’? If anything, if you want to hate, HBO offers a lot more reasons to do so.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2053137/examining-pay-structure-in-boxing-and-mma
February 19 – HBO World Championship Boxing
Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)
Matt,
You’re “cherry” picking stats as Delusional would like to say. I wouldn’t expect the remainder of the years PPV to hold that average. Of the Top 3 PPV Stars active in January, only one is remaining: Ronda Rousey.
I don’t watch boxing so I don’t know anything about those names you mentioned.
So D did double-book himself then? What a fucking idiot. That’s fine, you can have the first 3 months, then he has a permanent name change of my choice.
Last part for FB
UFC has produced BOTH male and female stars. Not bad. Boxing hasn’t produced a female star as big as Ronda, even with the daughter of its bigest legend.
“Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)”
Ouch.
I see the UFC has hired a top gun to pick up the pieces of a shit year, and a shit last year and spew complete bullshit! Good luck Matt, welcome to the board. We dont put up with lying sacks of shit here, we call it like we see it, against boxing too!
Nice to see you have updated marketing UFC/Zuffa talking points. What does it say on your list of bullshit about Canada? When I have more time I will read the volume that you wrote. In the mean time I suggest you go to another board we are all out of gullible losers here!! Another great weekend for boxing!
Anybody that thinks Rousey could beat Floyd is a fuckin moron.
Shes too fat and slow to even catch him. Stop with that nonsense you fuckin sound comical.
And Matt if you want to go numbers to numbers go ahead and post the 50 highest paid payouts of the UFC last year and Ill put up the 50 highest paid payouts in boxing last year and well see how they match up. Shit we can do the top 100.
I think only 2 ufc fighters made 1million for a single fight last year.
Over 15-20 boxers made $1million per fight last year.
So really what are you talking about.
I think Robert Guerrero made $3.5 mil on NBC this year.
No one made $3.5mil in the UFC this year.
Ufc must be really desperate…adding a wanna be intellectual paid troll..because the cheaply paid d’ s antics is going nowhere hahahahahaha
Ufc creditors are probably reading this site….so theres a need to control any bad press. for the ufc hahahaha
Hilarious how UFC nitwits act like the more PPV events the better.
Guess what?
UFC doesn’t do 13 PPV events a year because they want to, they do that many because they HAVE to. How else will they be able to keep their credit line revolving and their debt floating?
$600M in the hole and trying to unload portions of the company won’t look good on paper if they cut back on PPVs. Ther international TV revenue is so tiny and sub par compared to boxing. Boxing could do tons of Pay-Per-Views and shrink it’s core fan base as it did in 07-08. Completely short-sighted move and TINY thinking by the UFC fan base.
While boxing will regularly be seen by 1.5 million people for at least 50 events a year in the US, let the UFC continue touting their 300k buys lol. In 2 years the UFC fan base will continue to shrink LOL.
Matt- Matt I’ve barely talked to you so I dont now what you mean when you say i am talking to you like a child. I noticed on your list Mike Alvarado is listed. Mike made one million dollars last year fighting Juan Mauel marque and anywhere from 400k-1 million fighting Brandon Rios in their trilogy match so if we’re talking about the same guy he’s a millionaire. in boxing there is a light at the end of the tunnel. all you have to do is be good and you will make over 5 million in your career. your list shows nonito donaire. he weighs 122 pounds and look at what he”s making? who cares what bottom feeders make what do stars make (not superstars). what will you make if your good at your craft. in the ufc its 150-300k a fight (bisping) in Boxing its 1-2 million (james kirkland, devon alexander) mega stars make 20-god knows how much per fight. in the ufc mega stars make 2-4 million. thats all that matters what do the good to great ones make. not bums
HAHAHAHAHA!!! What’s funny is that Leon realizes he is fucked. He used to comment on here non stop until he realized he was getting humiliated with this bet and ran away. The only time he comments now is when I take a shot at him, and it seems like he is right on top of those comments- responding shortly there after. Amusing. Now, he is going down with the ship, shamelessly denying that he was dead fucking wrong attempting to link the injury rate this year to last when we already have seen 2.4m ppv buys after 5 events – including a D. Johnson headlining card!!
Double title fight coming up next week- big ppv numbers coming with that
Velasquez fighting in June- probably another 400k. Leon the Schmo is predicting 225k buys. This will be the 4th time he was dead wrong this year. Literally 0 for 4 in predictions. Only a fucking retard would continue to embarrass himself like this.
HUGE double title fight coming in July which will be virtually the nail in this idiot’s coffin.
If by some miracle I am wrong, I will split up the name changes- since I bet you first- I’ll take your name first, then handle his. Of course the chance of that happening is literally like 1 in 100 at this point. All they need is 2.6m more buys with 8 more ppvs left and the two biggest coming up next week and in July. You’re fucked which is why you ran and hid you fucking retard. This is so funny watching you eat crow. I can’t wait till the excuses start rolling in. You’ve already been embarrassed 3 times this year with your idiotic retard predictions.
Pretty funny how this turned into a fag fest-retard convention really quickly. All the tards came out in full force. You twats have to realize how big of delusional idiots you appear to anyone that reads this comment section.
Fagbusiness was just embarrassed over and over again because he would troll on here and pull numbers out of his ass- pretty sure he has yet to present an accurate statistic- just rants and raves about boxing. There was nothing civil about your or all the other boxing vagina’s behavior on here. They troll on here because they are insecure boxing fans who hate what happened to their sport and are threatened by the ever growing popularity of mma. I never used to post on here, I would just read the articles but since all these fucking twats would troll on here, I dealt them some of their own medicine and they have been going crazy over it. Just look at this particular comment section- how many of these retards are on here trolling? This place turned into a boxing troll convention.
What is really funny is watching guys in their late 30s like fagbusiness or 50 year old like Sal behave like 14 year old autistic homosexuals.
Yeah, and the predictions you throw out there are completely insane and delusional.
Fagbusiness’ & Leon the Schmo will have to admit defeat probably by September and accept their new nicknames.
“Anybody that thinks Rousey could beat Floyd is a fuckin moron.
Shes too fat and slow to even catch him. Stop with that nonsense you fuckin sound comical.
And Matt if you want to go numbers to numbers go ahead and post the 50 highest paid payouts of the UFC last year and Ill put up the 50 highest paid payouts in boxing last year and well see how they match up. Shit we can do the top 100.
I think only 2 ufc fighters made 1million for a single fight last year.
Over 15-20 boxers made $1million per fight last year.
So really what are you talking about.
I think Robert Guerrero made $3.5 mil on NBC this year.
No one made $3.5mil in the UFC this year.”
The words of an insane idiot.
First off, the PBC boxing model is unsustainable which is why it is doomed to fail. They are overpaying for purses, advertisement etc. and are burning through millions in the process. Guerrero however didn’t make 3.5m for that fight he made 1.5m you idiot and I guarantee you Jones made around 3m for his fight with Cormier. Do you ever research anything that you claim?
Also, Floyd Mayweather doesn’t know how to fight. He knows how to box. Although he is used to beating up women, this is one woman that would probably kick his ass. I’ve seen her spar with men who know how to fight and although she wouldn’t beat any serious mma pro in a real fight, she would kick someone like Gayweather’s ass. I’d see an arm breaker on that one. With that being said, I don’t expect you to comprehend that seeing how you are an idiot who thinks that Art Jimmerson lost at UFC 1 because he didn’t know the rules.
There were a number of ufc fighters this year who made over a million- Rousey, Silva and Jones already have without question. Even if they didn’t, what does that have to do with the popularity or future of the sport? Why don’t we take the top 10 UFC events revenue wise and compare them to the top 10 boxing and see what we come up with year in year out? Because we all know boxing has 2 stars that can sell a ppv. The UFC sells way more solid ppv cards than boxing.
Tops called someone else a paid troll. HAHA!
Sampson, no, if boxing COULD do those ppv numbers, they WOULD!! They can’t sell with stars other than the top 2. They tried expanding their ppvs in 2014 from a typical 4 to 7 and what happened? The average numbers plummeted. They didn’t do any ppvs over 900k buys despite Mayweather headlining 2 of them and the Canelo numbers were in the 300k range despite coming after his mega fight with Gayweather.
Also, the UFC gets paid 100m per year from FOX and has massive merchandising deals that boxing doesn’t have, nor does boxing have the consistent ppv buys on an annual basis which you act like is a flaw because you are a mutant.
Boxing’s fan base is shrinking, mma’s is rising. Bellator events are beating PBC events on Spike. You are brain dead.
Amusing to see desperate ufc fanboys increase after the may pac event hahahaha….
Amusing to see what happens to boxing and their fans after May Pac and the subsequent retirement looming in the Fall. HAHA!
Hey D
You can rant and ramble all you want, I will have the last laugh. The double-title fight is NOT going to be huge next weekend, but no point in getting caught up in your incoherent ranting on speculation.
Also the UFC has one, yes just ONE ppv star at the moment she’s fighting out-of-country. Looks like the tides have turned in my favor.
You should be more worried than you are… but your about to crash and burn as they say hmmmm? Bye for now Delusional 🙂
PS- Good job on double-betting; like a real pro there, now you can’t own up to your bet like a man when you lose. I knew you were bitch-made. Did you forget we made a PERMANENT name change?!. Maybe you should stop telling people to dot their i’s and cross their t’s and worry about your own business you fucking moron.
“Velasquez fighting in June- probably another 400k. ”
Hard to see that after a 2 year layoff…
UFC 166 Velasquez vs JDS III 330,000
UFC 160 Velasquez vs Bigfoot II 380,000
I’d say low 300s at best.
“Double title fight coming up next week- big ppv numbers coming with that”
Yea, what are the big ppv #s delusional? Let’s hear your prediction Nostrodumbass.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Leon already back peddling on his predictions because he doesn’t want to get humiliated again!!!! Adding an extra 100k to his ppv prediction of Velasquez.
Next week’s ppv isn’t going to be big? Okay, what do you think it will do? S
“Also the UFC has one, yes just ONE ppv star at the moment she’s fighting out-of-country. Looks like the tides have turned in my favor.”
Right because Chris Weidman didn’t do over 500k buys fighting Machida and McGregor-Aldo isn’t going to be massive. HAHA! Fucking retard. You keep digging your ditch deeper. This is just going to make it that much more amusing watching you squirm after getting humiliated. Of course since you are a shameless pathetic twat, you will probably just run away until I insult you and then immediately respond out of nowhere spinning your bullshit and coming up with excuses.
The tides have turned in your favor??? HAHAHA!! Just goes to show how delusional you are. You are going to need a miracle. This fight next weekend is going to go over 700k and the fight with McGregor is probably going to go over a million buys. The hype is already exploding for the McGregor fight. That should be another 1.7m buys. That would literally leave only 900k remaining between 6 ppvs. IE, you would need literally every card to get replaced and have D. Johnson to headline. You need a miracle.
By the way, NEVER call someone Nostradumbass where you 1- fuckup at least the beginning of his name spelling wise and 2 fuck up every ppv prediction you estimated so far this year. I was correct on all of mine, you were dead wrong on all of mine. So let me ask you NOSTRADUMBASS, what is your prediction????
BEST OF LUCK YOU FUCKING RETARD!!!!!!
matt- do you noticed d’s dialogue matt (bahahaha) ? he’s an mma guy
This thread is comical, 2 morons trying so hard to prove that a failure is a success. Obviously neither of them have any real world experience, haven’t been fans very long, and have no idea about the fight game, mma or boxing. Numbers don’t lie!!
Find me one significant UFC number that is up??? You cant do it because all the numbers are down across the board!! Try selling your spin bullshit somewhere else! I like how these 2 fuck tools use the same old lame comparisons, the same old lame boxing is dead talking points, and the same old UFC side talking propaganda that was played out years ago. You 2 are embarrassing yourselves!!
Roger Mayweather saying Floyd wants a pac rematch. OH OH thats 2.5 million ppv buys next year. although i acknowledge their old.
http://thaboxingvoice.com/roger-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-rematch-is-plan-a-amir-khan-is-plan-b/45114?var=no
d swore maywethaer Pac coudlnt do over 3 million ppv buys. lol. he just has no idea how popular Boxing is. GGG fights tonight against some bum in Los Angelas and the event is sold out (12k) terrence crawford sells out in his home state now also.
Fagbusiness just makes up statistics to validate his retarded claims. I never said they couldn’t do over 3m buys. Go find the quote that doesn’t exist you fucking idiot.
Hey idiot- did you even bother to read the article you sourced? Because it says NOTHING about Floyd Mayweather wanting a rematch. It said Roger Mayweather would like another one, he didn’t confirm Floyd did. Even Roger admitted, he wasn’t sure if it would happen though. Floyd has already said he wasn’t giving Paquaio a rematch, you twat. You have no credibility at all. You just make shit up as you go along.
Terrence Crawford sells out in his home state? How much are his gates? I bet less than every single ufc this year. Attendance numbers are a joke. Revenue is all that matters. When your tickets are priced to nothing and there are comps across the board, that is no accomplishment.
Fagbusiness is just mad his world is coming to an end because there are no more superfights in boxing, the fighters and their fans are old- senior citizen old. HAHAHA!!!
Sal just ranting incoherently again. Nothing new.
Why would anybody stage a PPV that would do less than 200k buys?
Seriously. After all the costs involved the money is puny.
“This fight next weekend is going to go over 700k and the fight with McGregor is probably going to go over a million buys. The hype is already exploding for the McGregor fight. That should be another 1.7m buys. ” D for Delusional
Care to make a bet on this D? I’ll bet this fight next weekend does under 700k buys. 1 month name change? What do you say?
Once Dave Meltzer #s are in the bet starts fagnuts.
Delusional will likely try and talk his way out of this one because he is a coward who is bitch-made and can’t keep a bet. But, we already know this because he double-booked a bet which he can’t payout should he lose.. a real dick-tucker to make his vagina. D talks more than Bruce Jenner’s female persona.
700k buys? I will bet cash it doesn’t touch that LOL.
LOL.
LOL
HAHAHA!! Leon already trying to make other bets because he knows his name is going to be altered.
He knows he’s doomed.
I’m not talking my way out of anything. I’m standing by my prediction. This one is for pride though, I’m just going to talk a lot more shit to you and embarrass you. If we wanted to do side bets by now, you would have had a number already with your retarded predictions thus far.
Leon the retarded schmo is already attempting to find excuses talking about this double booked thing- grasping for any straw, this dickless, mangina can. Doesn’t matter, everyone saw the bet ahead of time. He can’t bail on this one. Bruce Jenner has a better reputation than Leon does after his shit predictions and cowardly hiding on here. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
“Why would anybody stage a PPV that would do less than 200k buys?
Seriously. After all the costs involved the money is puny.”
Because it is more than rights fees that are typically received for a boxing or mma match on HBO/Showtime/FOX. That’s why. By the way, there was a boxing ppv not long before the Mayweather-Pac fight that probably did less than 50k buys.
By the way Leon the retarded Schmo, what is your prediction for the fight? You refuse to make one because you are afraid of another shit prediction like your past ones this year that made you eat crow. How about a number fuck face?
D is being a bitch, just like I predicted. No our original bet is not off dummy, you’re just showing us your true colors. Make a bold claim for next Ppv but can’t stand by your words. Classic dick tucking.
I don’t see why your avoiding this we would know the result WELL before our original bet is even close to being over. Again, talk is cheap with Delusional.
Oh wait, it’s cuz you KNOW this ppv ain’t doing 700k hahahah
Solid post Matt. Good perspective.
Matt Malloy on May 15th, 2015 10:47 AM
Looking it up, there were only seven boxing PPV events in 2014.
– FMJ had two events. Estimates at 1.825 million (912k per ppv)
– Manny had two events. Estimates at 1.100 million (550k per ppv)
– ……the other three events (Cotto, Alvarez x 2) did 965k (321k per event)
Look at that. All the boxing divisions and belts out there. Dozens of champions and different organizations. And boxing could only find TWO other fighters to prop up on the PPV event schedule? Only two other fighters to test the ppv waters? That’s ridiculous. It shows no confidence in what they currently have after Manny and FMJ. And that’s over the past three, four or five years. Maybe even longer.
Right now, boxing only has two fighters it can confidently put up to headline an event, and get good PPV numbers. That’s not a lot of depth. It’s embarrassing.
That all said. I’m not going to say that the UFC is really that much stronger, but it’s shown a willingness to at least give it’s fighters a chance to headline. Test the waters. Right now, the UFC has at least ten fighters who have shown to be able to at least headline an event. Diaz, Silva, Sonnen (he’s gone though), GSP, Jones, Rousey, McGregor, Weidman, etc…I’m probably missing another half dozens or so. There’s most certainly more depth here. Athletes who sell an event, and get 500 to a million ppv buys.
Boxing best pray that the 39 year old FMJ and 37 year old Manny stay healthy.
steve c- getting headliners who can do 1 million ppv’s is hard. the ufc cant do it. ggg vs canelo, cottovs canelo and ward vs ggg, ggg vs kovolov can all dobetween 600k to 1.2 million ppv buys right now. thats 3 fights right there not involving mayweather or pac. once GGG beats just one of these guys he’ll be fuckin huge. he’s our next ppv star for the next 3 years. ggg vs mayweather does 4 million ppv buys. i dont encorage this fight however
fleix verderjo is the next tito trinidad. dudes only 21 and looks phenominal.
Hahahaha…funny….theyre putting several characters over here at mmapayout….credit due for the ufc…..
The UFC can’t do it fagbusiness?? They are going to do it in July without question.
GGG vs Ward would do nowhere near a million buys. Neither one of them ever sold a ppv in their life and they aren’t well known to casuals. GGG vs Canelo isn’t going to happen. GGG vs Cotto isn’t going to happen. Neither one of them want to fight him. You use hypothetical arguments of fights that not only probably won’t be signed, but have zero evidence of supporting your delusional buy rates.
And the fact that you would even throw GGG vs Mayweather as a possible fight(not to mention your again delusional figures), goes to show how brain dead you are. Never in 1 million years would Mayweather grow the balls to fight GGG. Golovkin would knock his ass out and Mayweather knows it.
no sport needs ppv to survive. if boxing just has good fighters on tv the sport will do wonderful. khan, bradley, broner, matthese, this nicaraguan fllyweight, kovolov, stevenson, thurman, kell brook, are all good for solid ratings (1-4 million viewers) 2 million dollar purses. boxing doesnt need ppv. klitchsko vs wilder or fury. boxing is fine
d- you claimed i was delusional when I said mayweather vs pac wuld do over 3.5 million ppv’s BAHAHA. you will never be taken again seriously.does my 4 million ppv rate with may and pac sound delusional now? Ward vs ggg at 50 dollars does 500k right now. the winner of that fight will be a ppv draw. whose trolling. by the way lets not forget terrence crawford. he’s another hbo star (1-2 million viewers per fight)
2m dollar purses and the fights are LOSING MONEY! Just because they are overpaid doesn’t mean the business is doing well. These fight cards can’t generate shit in terms of gate numbers that you listed.
Again, I don’t believe it went over 3.5m and you have zero evidence to support that number. You are relying again on what the promotion is saying. It is just sad that no one does any investigative work on boxing numbers anymore. Their purses are never published except for the big names and sometimes some main card fighters. Plus no one ever cares enough to investigate their gate/ppv numbers. So to be clear, yes I think you are still delusional.
Finally you came down to Earth with something- I do agree that Ward vs GGG would do 500k buys- ONLY because GGG is killing everyone and Ward was considered a top p4p fighter prior to his contract/injury issues.
Terrence Crawford couldn’t break 50k ppv buys right now and doesn’t draw shit in terms of people paying for his fights.
What’s amusing is this. I visited this board for some discussion, but all i am mostly seeing is a bunch of angry boxing fans who never respond to points. All most of you do is just recite talking points “(Dana lover, UFC fanboy, etc..) and then go on talking gibberish while avoiding meaningful discussion.
Seriously, not a single person actually kept on topic.
What a shame.
FightBusiness said, on May 17th, 2015 11:19 AM
“steve c- getting headliners who can do 1 million ppv’s is hard. the ufc cant do it”
The UFC has done it. A number of different fighters.
saldathief said,,,,on May 16th, 2015 9:22 AM
“This thread is comical, 2 morons trying so hard to prove that a failure is a success. Obviously neither of them have any real world experience, haven’t been fans very long, and have no idea about the fight game, mma or boxing. Numbers don’t lie!!
Find me one significant UFC number that is up??? You cant do it”
More teen boy ranting there ^^^
So Sal…to answer your question. Actually, i already did. To repeat. After five ppv events this year, the UFC’s ppv’s are up 76% from last year (after five events). I posted the actual numbers, based on Meltzer’s newsletter estimates. While not perfect numbers, they are deemed to be reasonably accurate. So you are right Sal, on one tiny point. Numbers don’t “lie”. So let me ask you, do you know what 76% higher means? The 2015 numbers are higher.
And note, i have no horse in this race. But i will admit to finding the boxing fanaticism a bit ridiculous on here, with the lengths some of these childish fanboys are going with their hating. Especially Sal up there, with his childish comments. I may or may not know the ‘game’ very well, but i do understand basic math. 2015 > 2014.
I’m also not judging the UFC’s ppv results. Just speaking to a very blunt assessment, that they are up significantly this year. Will it continue? Who knows. I don’t really care. No skin off my back if they get better or worse.
Is UFC up from 2009 or 2011?
Every dead stock bounces when it hits bottom. LOL
The Greatest said, ….on May 15th, 2015 3:28 PM
“Anybody that thinks Rousey could beat Floyd is a fuckin moron.Shes too fat and slow to even catch him. Stop with that nonsense you fuckin sound comical.And Matt if you want to go numbers to numbers go ahead and post the 50 highest paid payouts of the UFC last year and Ill put up the 50 highest paid payouts in boxing last year and well see how they match up. Shit we can do the top 100.”
1. The specific point on Rousey was talking about a fight. Not a boxing match. I don’t believe anyone in this world every said Rousey could beat him in Boxing. But a fight? As soon as Rousey got a hold of FMJ, he would be tossed on the ground, and then be a fish flopping around on the ground, right before his arm got broken.I don’t mean that as an insult to FMJ, but just speaking to reality. He won’t have a ref breaking up the clinch in a fight. And Rousey wouldn’t be like all the other women he has punched (and KO’d). And yes, i partially agree with you. FMJ’s record against beating up women is superb, but Rousey isn’t your typical women.
2. Regarding posting numbers. You are doing what every boxing fanboy seems to do on this website board. You raise a point, someone like me discussed it…then you change the subject. I was discussing “PPV NUMBERS”. That was the point being discussed, that i addressed. Stay on topic. And you won’t find “50” boxing ppv events last year, because there weren’t that many. I posted the numbers earlier.
Everything i have posted, is common sense. Stay on topic please.
Pink Pig said,,,,,on May 17th, 2015 3:48 PM
“Is UFC up from 2009 or 2011? Every dead stock bounces when it hits bottom. LOL”
Thank you for illustrating my point, with how you boxing fanboys change the subject when you don’t like an answer you get. The question asked before was comparing 2014 to 2015. And with that, the UFC’s ppv numbers are up. I’m not putting any qualifiers on that, just stating a reality.
And you question as to if that’s up from 2009 or 2011? I don’t recall, don’t have those numbers in front of me. Going from memory, the per event average so far this year is relatively close to what the ppv’s were doing back then. Maybe a little bit off? I fail to see your fanboy hating here though. PPV business is a cyclical business, a roller coaster ride. Ups and downs. Your same ‘hating’ could equally be applied to boxing.
Again, came onto this board for some good discussion. All i am seeing is some very childlike boxing fanboys. Some of you should be embarrassed by this.
In 2009 they averaged 615,000 buys per event. 2015 numbers are nowhere close to that at 367,000 buys per event. Despite their great first quarter this is still their second worst year in average buys since 2006.
Where did you guys learn math? The UFC had 5 ppvs so far this year. They have done an estimated 2.4m buys based on Dave Meltzer’s numbers. 2.4m divided by 5 events is an average of 480k buys per event. You boxing trolls can’t even do basic math. Pretty sad.
Also, average buys are a ridiculous comparison anyway. For one, the cost of a ppv back in 2009 was $10 less, ie, the buys are worth more now, plus there are far more ufc cards now as opposed to back then. There was no FOX deal back then.
The average rate will go up after the two big cards coming up in May and July- something you also conveniently ignored.
“1. The specific point on Rousey was talking about a fight. Not a boxing match. I don’t believe anyone in this world every said Rousey could beat him in Boxing. But a fight? As soon as Rousey got a hold of FMJ, he would be tossed on the ground, and then be a fish flopping around on the ground, right before his arm got broken.”
How would she get a hold of him? She doesnt shoot for takedowns, she gets ppl in the clinch and throws them. She also eats punches trying to get in that clinch.
No way she eats a jab and then a straight right from the best boxer on the planet.
But forget the jab and straight right hand, she would be eating a barrage before she hit the ground.
His speed and strength would be too much for her.
They asked Jose Aldo how he would do against Floyd or Manny if they met in the middle and fought a Kickboxing match. He said that it would be difficult to beat them because of the boxers extreme speed and explosiveness.
You mmafanboys have this false belief that grappling or the illustrious takedown is some god sent unstoppable fighting tactic. Its not.
“2. Regarding posting numbers. You are doing what every boxing fanboy seems to do on this website board. You raise a point, someone like me discussed it…then you change the subject. I was discussing “PPV NUMBERS”. That was the point being discussed, that i addressed. Stay on topic. And you won’t find “50” boxing ppv events last year, because there weren’t that many. I posted the numbers earlier.”
–You werent discussing PPV numbers, you were discussing fighters pay. You tried to claim that HBO pays boxers less than the UFC, and then you went on to post an HBO card from 4 years ago.
So in return, I said why dont you post the top 50 payouts to UFC fighters last year and I would do the same with boxing or we could do the top 100.
The point is showing that boxers were making alot more money than their UFC counterparts.
How many UFC fighters can you name that made $1mil or more for one single fight last year? 2? Maybe?
Boxers off the top of my head that made $1mil or more last year for one fight.
Mayweather, Pacquiao, Broner, Khan, Bradley, Marquez, Kovalev, Stevenson, Pascal, Bute, Groves, Froch, Hopkins, Garcia,
The Greatest…
here’s the first sentence of my FIRST post on this thread…
” Not sure why people would come on here and make fun of the above UFC ppv results. To those doing that (‘saldathief’, TopsE’) you are showing how uneducated you are. One bad event doesn’t always make or break a year”
Here’s my point from my SECOND post….
“Reality is this. UFC’s numbers are up 76% from last year, after five PPV’s. The average this year has been 471k per event. That pretty much beats every non-FMJ/Manny event. That’s not a knock on boxing, just pointing out the shows have sold well. (and that doesn’t mean every show will do well)”
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In my third post, talking to FightBusiness…the topic was still about PPV events. FightBusiness raised the point that if boxing could ‘stack’ their cards, they would have more PPV events. But the UFC gets away with stacking their cards because they don’t pay anything. I simply pointed out to FightBusiness…that the UFC underpaying of the bottom of their cards, is a practice no different than what HBO has done at times with boxing.
Again…the issue was never ‘fighter pay’…but simply a point being made about the depth of the PPV cards. Again, the topic was still PPV.
I would suggest to some of you, please actually READ what people write. It’s kind of hard having a meaningful discussion when you fail to even grasp the topic at hand.
The greatest said,
“You mmafanboys have this false belief that grappling or the illustrious takedown is some god sent unstoppable fighting tactic. Its not.”
I don’t recall anyone on here ever saying that. That sounds like you setting up a strawman argument. Perhaps you should stick to what people actually said?
Reality is, no one knows for certain what would happen between Rousey and FMJ. It’s all speculation. But there is quite a bit of precedent in watching what HAS happened when a full time boxer (with no grappling experience) has been matched up with someone in MMA. It never ends well for the boxer. Look at James Toney a few years ago. Yes, Toney was 40 years ago, but Randy Couture was old too. And Toney was still an active fighter, fighting for titles in 2011 and 2012. How did that end up for James? How many punches did he force Randy to ‘eat’ before Randy got him down? I don’t recall a single one.
This is a tired old story. It never ends well for a boxer, in an MMA match. Doesn’t mean Rousey is an automatic win versus FMJ, it is speculating, but I would take Rousey straight up. It’s not like Floyd has a lot of power to knock her out, and with his proclivity to dancing all day, his inexperience in dealing with someone who can throw people…he most likely ends up on the ground.
The Gambino said, on May 17th, 2015 9:19 PM
“In 2009 they averaged 615,000 buys per event. 2015 numbers are nowhere close to that at 367,000 buys per event. Despite their great first quarter this is still their second worst year in average buys since 2006.”
Your math is off.
The UFC has had FIVE events so far in 2015, and the total estimated (per Meltzer) buys come out to 2.357 million. That’s an average of 471,000 per event. Well above the 261k average they had in 2014. I’m not sure how you are messing this up? You take 2.357/5. Straight division. So comparing ’14 to ’15’…the UFC is doing well, judging by that metric.
It’s also not their ‘second worst average year’. Seriously, if you can’t handle simple straight division like the above calculation, you probably shouldn’t be taking on things like averages. See my next point…
Regarding 2009. That was their high water mark. A great year. But I fail to see your point that 2015 is now considered a failure, solely because 2009 was so good. Can you shed some light on your logic? If that’s how your logic works, then every single boxing PPV that doesn’t top 4.4 million ppv buys, is now going to be called an abysmal failure. Did a boxing PPV top 4.4? No. Fall. Does that make any sense to you? It shouldn’t. Your logic is dumb.
Reality is, 2009 was an epic year for the UFC. 2014 was a bad year. 2015 is shaping up so far, to be pretty decent. The average ppv buy rate right now is at it’s 4th highest rate in the last 15 years. Not so bad. And as pointed out, that’s average rate doesn’t take into account the higher PPV prices is getting now, as well as more people buying HD. When you account for things on ‘TOTAL’ revenue terms, the drop off isn’t that much. Especially on total revenue terms. The UFC has bigger deals in place these days (Fox, Reebok), than it did back in 2005 to 2009.
If you wish to hate, at least find valid things to hate with.
“Again…the issue was never ‘fighter pay’…but simply a point being made about the depth of the PPV cards. Again, the topic was still PPV.
I would suggest to some of you, please actually READ what people write. It’s kind of hard having a meaningful discussion when you fail to even grasp the topic at hand.”
Yet you posted nothing about PPVs and instead posted about fighters pay on a HBO fight card 4 years ago and said they get paid worse than UFC cards.
Matt Malloy on May 15th, 2015 12:57 PM
“Have you seen the payouts on some of those HBO cards? Here’s an old link, but it shows some boxing cards. I’m not seeing these bottom feeding fighters being paid very well. In fact, while it is a few years old, these payouts are worse than the UFC in many respects. The question I have to ask then is if. Why aren’t some of you guys attacking ‘HBO’ like you attack the ‘UFC’? If anything, if you want to hate, HBO offers a lot more reasons to do so.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2053137/examining-pay-structure-in-boxing-and-mma
February 19 – HBO World Championship Boxing
Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)”
Nothing to do with PPV, like I said.
The Greatest said.,.,”Yet you posted nothing about PPVs and instead posted about fighters pay on a HBO fight card 4 years ago and said they get paid worse than UFC cards.”
Every one of my posts in this thread has included the topic of PPV’s, which is what this thread is about (with a side comment about Rousey tossed in). Look above.
As I said, the HBO link up there, was posted in response to a comment. A comment addressing boxing’s lacklusted depth in PPV cards. Again, go read what was being said, rather than viewing things in isolation.
“I don’t recall anyone on here ever saying that. That sounds like you setting up a strawman argument. Perhaps you should stick to what people actually said?”
You dont recall? Go ahead and look up D’s past comments if you dont recall.
“But there is quite a bit of precedent in watching what HAS happened when a full time boxer (with no grappling experience) has been matched up with someone in MMA. It never ends well for the boxer…….This is a tired old story. It never ends well for a boxer, in an MMA match. Doesn’t mean Rousey is an automatic win versus FMJ, it is speculating, but I would take Rousey straight up. It’s not like Floyd has a lot of power to knock her out.”
First off Floyd has grappling experience, maybe you should dig into his history a little bit. Second of all, last time I check boxing has the winning percentage over mma.
Jeremy Williams went 5-0 in MMA.
Laverne Clark went 4-1 in the UFC with 3 wins over black belt bjj artists.
Ray Mercer KO’d Tim Sylvia, who was the 8th ranked HW in the world.
Danny LaFever was an amateur boxer who was working as an electrician when he stepped into MMA and KOd 15-1-1 Benji Radach.
Sonny Westbrook(amateur boxer) beating up Don Frye in an actual street fight.
You are definitely not educated in this discussion. No moron would say that Floyd doesnt have the power in his hands to KO Ronda Rousey, as if she is gonna take a bare knuckle punch from an elite boxer.
You clown.
“Every one of my posts in this thread has included the topic of PPV’s, which is what this thread is about (with a side comment about Rousey tossed in). Look above.
As I said, the HBO link up there, was posted in response to a comment. A comment addressing boxing’s lacklusted depth in PPV cards. Again, go read what was being said, rather than viewing things in isolation.”
Your comment was about fighter pay, straight up.
Your main topic was about ppvs, but what you posted was a direct shot at trying to claim UFC pay is greater than boxings, it literally had nothing to do with ppvs.
So I told you to put up some numbers and now you want to harbor on this shit so that you can avoid the number game.
Stay on topic.
And if some fantasy match between Rousey and FMJ went off, Floyd wouldn’t be fighting bareknuckled. What you are, 14 years old?
I can see why people on here call you retarded.
Matt you are arguing with a retarded individual. This nutjob wacky lunatic literally stalked me from yahoo to here saying the exact same things. Just to give you an idea of what type of quack you are dealing with.
I’m not lying when I tell you this- he argues that Art Jimmerson lost at UFC 1 because he didn’t know the rules. He also claims that Tom Erickson was a decorated kickboxer.
He dismisses the fact that 99% of the time a pure boxer stepped into a mma competition they lost badly. Also even in straight kickboxing they are horrible. Frans Botha tried K1 as did Mercer and both did terrible.
Look at how irrational he is- he presents this as his defense:
“Jeremy Williams went 5-0 in MMA.
Laverne Clark went 4-1 in the UFC with 3 wins over black belt bjj artists.
Ray Mercer KO’d Tim Sylvia, who was the 8th ranked HW in the world.
Danny LaFever was an amateur boxer who was working as an electrician when he stepped into MMA and KOd 15-1-1 Benji Radach.
Sonny Westbrook(amateur boxer) beating up Don Frye in an actual street fight.”
Jeremy Williams first off trained at an mma gym. He did not come out raw not to mention he never beat anyone with a winning record and was more or less fighting amateurs. His opponents winning percentage on a high school gym level circuit was literally around 30%. I’ve seen the guy’s fights- he was horrible. By that analogy, we could say Kimbo Slice was 7-0 in boxing and made it look easy with no boxing background or credentials.
Laverne Clark trained at Miletich’s gym during his mma career which at the time was the biggest and most reputable gym in the world for mma. He was not a pure boxer. With that being said, he was not a very good fighter. He was a career journeyman with a career record of 27-21. His UFC career actually ended in 2000, yet he hasn’t really even retired yet and never beat anyone in the top 10. His ufc wins were against the following fighters: Fabiano Iha(which Iha later avenged), Koji Oishi, Frank Caracci, and Josh Stuart. He was the furthest thing from a star, not to mention he was the furthest thing from a pure boxer. This would be as absurd as saying Marcus Davis was a pure boxer or KJ Noons or Chris Lytle, guys who all boxed professionally- on a much more successful level but never really did anything significant in their careers in mma despite being at big gyms. They’d also be the first ones to tell you how much of an idiot you are for believing that raw boxers would have any success without training full time in mma.
Danny LeFever ko’d Benji Radach a notable wrestler who was trying to stand and trade with him because his ego got in the way of his intellect. If Radach had shot in for a takedown he would have won easily. I wonder why LeFever acting like he just won the lottery after he won and refused a rematch. Same goes for Mercer, who actually is even more silly because Sylvia showed up a morbidly obese 315lbs, was preparing for a boxing match which that fight was scheduled for until the 11th hour, and stood and tried to trade strikes with Mercer which was then when he was hit with a punch that anyone else in the world could see coming. They also had a gentleman’s agreement ahead of time to keep the fight standing according to Jens Pulver. Regardless, these examples would only work if the mma fighter is shooting in for a takedown and the boxer caught them coming in, which in reality NEVER HAPPENS!!!
Oh I almost forgot this idiot’s delusion about Don Frye’s fight where he was drunk and just starts wildly throwing punches with a guy in a hotel room. Westbrook didn’t really even beat him up and everyone who saw them fight later claimed Frye fucked him up. To use this as an example goes to show the lunacy of this whack.
How about we look at the actual fights and boxers who attempted MMA:
Ricardo Mayorga- world renown boxer- defeated Vernon Forrest 2x and was considered no.1 at 147lbs at one point in time. MMA record 0-3 on a very minor league circuit in Central America. Clueless how to fight in mma.
Matthew Saad Muhammad- former WBC lhw champ. Lost to Kiyoshi Tamura in34 seconds via choke.
Imamu Mayfield former IBF cruiserweight champion lost to Kazuyuki Fujita even with rules to prevent extending ground time(he was only allowed 20 seconds on the ground at a time) and still submitted Mayfield.
Butterbean- lost to Genki Sudo at one point in mma, who he outweighed by over 200lbs.
Art Jimmerson(The Gayest’s lover- I heard he bought his glove) a Cruiserweight champion who was humiliated at UFC 1- we all saw it.
Melton Bowen- cruiserweight champion loses to Steve Jennum at UFC 4.
James Toney- loses to Randy Couture via easy takedown. A Greco guy who shoots in for a takedown?? How is that possible? If he can do it, maybe someone else with a clinch game like Ronda Rousey could do it too? Wow.
Milo Savage- a pure boxer who was one of the first boxers to fight someone in a boxing vs mma style fight when he lost to Gene Lebell back in 1963.
Julius Francis- British HW boxing champ loses to Gary Turner in ’07 at Cage Rage.
Ray Mercer of course despite his 1 in a million win against a diabetic Sylvia who stood with him, was humiliated by Kimbo Slice- a guy who was horrible in mma and was run out of the sport only to find himself professionally boxing shortly later.
Ali- his leg’s were kicked to shreds by Inoki despite all the restrictions on what Inoki could do. Ali couldn’t walk for weeks after that also. Had it been full mma Inoki would have submitted him easily.
There are also countless other examples.
Here is Marcus Davis’ take. This is coming from a guy with a decent pro boxing background-
Davis….. says it takes years to acquire the skills to thrive in the cage.
“I tried being a boxer in MMA, and it didn’t work,” Davis says. “Then I tried being a boxer that would learn enough on the ground to stand back up or enough to stop takedowns. That doesn’t work.”
Wrestlers such as Couture, on the other hand, have been very successful. The skills of taking down an opponent and keeping control of him on the mat translate well to the cage, and are not easy to stop.
“I remember when I was a boxer, all the things I thought,” Davis says. ” ‘Ah, if he shoots in, I just uppercut him.’ You think that until you get in there. It’s not like that.”
Now, every rational person would already know this stuff, but the nuts out there who are in denial need to have this reinforced by legit pro boxers who tried both sports.
The Gayest is a total nutjob retard who is probably accusing chestnuts of being lazy as we speak.
Matt I see you are taking D’s adderall lol both you clowns are hyper ADD morons! . So the UFC stacked the first quarter with all their PPV stars, big deal! And you stupidly compare last years first quarter which was one of the lowest! Quarters don’t fucking matter! when you can control a quarter with successful content you fucking amateur idiot! Your points are a joke and would only be believed by a fool!
The UFC has a tough tough road ahead for 2015! So how is the second quarter doing?? bahaha its a joke! Why? because they cant stack every quarter with successful content or they would! Both you and D should put the keyboard down, go outdoors, try to be social with people, and maybe meet a girl or something. You are both DORKS and need to get a life outside of x box, wwe and jerking off to porn and pictures of Dana White.
I don’t think I’ve ever read a more ass backwards post in my life than the one Sal just posted. He is severely mentally ill.
saldathief said,
“Matt I see you are taking D’s adderall lol both you clowns are hyper ADD morons”
I see you still can’t actually refute anything anyone says. More name calling. Nice job kiddie.
Anyways. I never said only the first quarter matters. Straw man argument by you (do you know what that means? probably not) I simply used the first 5 ppv events this year, compared to last year. Now who’s stupid? If comparing 2014 to 2015…what else can one do? There have only been 5 events so far. You have to compare apples to apples. The first five this year, to last year.
Only a full fledged retard would call the above logic I used, a ‘joke’. Oh, that’s you. Sorry (not really)
How will things end up? Who knows. As I said three times already, doesn’t really matter to me. The Fertitta’s will still be making money and be rich. I’m sure they’ll be fine and fighters will still be making not so much.
As far as telling me that I need to go outside some? That’s kind of amusing, seeing how I just starting posting on this place a few days ago…WHILE you have apparently been lingering on this board arguing with D for quite some time now, maybe months or even years? Who needs to get a life? Who needs to get outside? It ain’t me. It’s you, the no-life kiddie who would appear to be living on here waiting to reply to everyone’s comments.
Here’s a tip. When you get out of high school, learn how to discuss things intelligently, can do so without people laughing at your posts…. then come back and discuss getting laid.
the Greatest said,….on May 18th, 2015 6:17 AM
“You are definitely not educated in this discussion. ”
…and you used Ray Mercer & Tim Sylvia as an example of boxing vs MMA? Have you seen ANY of Tim Sylvia’s fights at all? He was a statue that mostly just stood and used his height for bad boxing in MMA. And that was in his prime. Which wasn’t the case after being kicked out of the UFC, KO’d by Fedor in Affliction, and a year later, showing up fat & out of shape against Mercer. Tim’s background was in boxing. Marcus Davis, an ex boxer, trained him initially when coming into MMA, so in this case, it was almost amateur, out of shape boxer(tim) vs pro Boxer. Please try again.
D half of the fights you put up were either worked or fake fights.
Matthew Saad, Mayfield, and Ali were all staged fights.
This is widely known. Those organizations were basically WWF.
So if were counting those then Floyd beat the Big Show on WWE. Its the exact same thing.
For the other ones, those were either nobodies or way over the hill fighters.
Melton Bowens fight they made him wear gloves while Jennum didn’t have to wear any. Wow that’s fair, let alone Jennum claimed he got KO for a sec by Bowen while Bowen was on his back.
Julius Francis was a kickboxer before he was a boxer there chief. Learn your shit.
Mayorga won his first fight in MMA by TKO with a knee to that back but it was taken away because I guess its not “allowed”. I thought this was the sport of so called “fighting” but I guess not. His other fights he knocked ppl down but he was fighting in a higher weight class and literally doing no training prior to it. So take that how ever you want.
Toney, I guess if you want to count a man with 80+ fights starting in the 1980’s who came in weighing 77lbs over his prime fighting weight as a good discussion of this topic, then go ahead but no one takes that serious.
“Regardless, these examples would only work if the mma fighter is shooting in for a takedown and the boxer caught them coming in, which in reality NEVER HAPPENS!!!”
–Bullshit. Laverne Clark, a terrible boxer, won his debut MMA fight in like 10 seconds after Shoney Carter shot in and Clark hit him with an uppercut and then a hook and KOd him
Laverne Clark- 27-21 in mma, 4-1 in the UFC (He beat the only guy who beat him).
What was his record in boxing? 14-18. He had more success in MMA than boxing.
Only guy in boxing he faced of recognition was Adamek, and Adamek thrashed him.
Laverne Clark 27-21
Butterbean 17-10
Jermey Williams 5-0
Ray Mercer 1-0 (His bout with Kimbo was an exhibition)
Thats +19 in the Win column for boxing right there. Now go ahead and try to post your bullshit and we will see where it lands.
When you are proven wrong, you just act crazy and fabricate things calling real proven fights, faked. Go do some research retard. They were legit fights.
” Melton Bowens fight they made him wear gloves while Jennum didn’t have to wear any. Wow that’s fair, let alone Jennum claimed he got KO for a sec by Bowen while Bowen was on his back”
You are so retarded. Bowen CHOSE to wear GRAPPLING gloves you fucking idiot. Basically the same exact kind of gloves we see today. He wasn’t forced to do anything quack. Also Jennum sucked, he won 2 pro fights and 1 was the fight against Bowen. He also lost to Tank Abbott and Jason Godsey.
“Julius Francis was a kickboxer before he was a boxer there chief. Learn your shit.”
He was a more decorated boxer than kickboxer and still the point remains he was a pro boxer with no grappling who thought he would waltz right into mma and got his ass kicked.
“Mayorga won his first fight in MMA by TKO with a knee to that back but it was taken away because I guess its not “allowed”. I thought this was the sport of so called “fighting” but I guess not. His other fights he knocked ppl down but he was fighting in a higher weight class and literally doing no training prior to it. So take that how ever you want.”
He didn’t win anything. He cheated against a guy who was basically an amatuer and then later kicked his ass. He never won a pro fight in mma on a pathetic level where these guys he was fighting were glorified amateurs. He was 0-3. You literally make shit up in your delusional mind you nutjob.
“Toney, I guess if you want to count a man with 80+ fights starting in the 1980’s who came in weighing 77lbs over his prime fighting weight as a good discussion of this topic, then go ahead but no one takes that serious.”
Toney was fighting on a hw championship level shortly prior to his fight with Couture and Randy was considerably older than him and had 20 plus years of fighting and wrestling on his record.
“–Bullshit. Laverne Clark, a terrible boxer, won his debut MMA fight in like 10 seconds after Shoney Carter shot in and Clark hit him with an uppercut and then a hook and KOd him”
Again, because you are a retard, you still don’t grasp this- for one, Clark was cross training at that time so your argument here goes right down the drain, and also Carter DID NOT shoot in. He carelessly moved forward to him. There was no level change. Go watch the fight jizz face. Clark also sucked. Never beat anyone anywhere near the top 10 and lost to horrible fighters all the time. His record in the UFC was on a prelim level with the exception of his fights against Iha, where Iha would up beating him in the rematch easily.
Butterbean never beat anyone with a winning record in mma with the exception of Cabbage after Cabbage was kicking his ass, Cabbage broke his arm punching fatty in the head which was the only win Butterbean had in his mma career against anyone anybody ever even heard of. He outweighed Sudo by over 200lbs and lost.
Jeremy Williams never beat anyone with a winning record, trained full time in mma and was fighting on basically an amateur level. At least one of the guys he beat never won a fight in mma in his career and his opponents had a career winning percentage of around 30% on a joke level.
Mercer was humiliated by Kimbo a mma washout who went into boxing shortly thereafter and never lost. Everyone saw it regardless if it was deemed a pro or amateur fight because it was standard mma rules. There were no limitations.
I listed only a small amount of the tons of boxers who attempted mma and failed miserably. Your argument, logic and ability to reason are a joke. This argument is as insane as saying the best rugby player could walk right into the nfl and dominate. That is something only a retarded person would claim. We have quotes of pro boxers like Marcus Davis pointing things like this out. Not that any normal individual who follows the sport wouldn’t realize that, only a pod like refuses to accept it.
I’m just going to point this out because this is the last time I’m going to respond to your comments rationally because you are literally the most insane mentally disturbed individual I’ve ever seen post on this board and topic which speaks volumes. You literally just make things up as you go along to whatever these voices in your head are telling you. You need severe help. Aggressive regiment of meds and a team of therapists.
The Greatest said, on May 18th, 2015 9:47 PM
“Toney, I guess if you want to count a man with 80+ fights starting in the 1980’s who came in weighing 77lbs over his prime fighting weight as a good discussion of this topic, then go ahead but no one takes that serious.”
You are right on one point. It doesn’t say much for the sport of boxing, that one of it’s more noted fighters can’t even show up at a MMA event in reasonable shape. Showing up at 237lbs, was an embarrassment. Not that it mattered, as he ended up on his back in about 20 seconds or so. The other two minutes he spent against Couture, was just on his back eating elbows.
What’s amusing about the above is this. That 2010 version of Toney got stomped against Couture, but apparently that version of Toney WAS good enough to show up in Boxing the following year, and get a shot at the WBA cruiserweight title, win the IBU heavyweight title, and then get a shot at the WBF title in 2013. Those boxers couldn’t finish the 43 year old punch drunk Toney.
UFC isn’t doing good business? Weekly sold-out events tell me otherwise.. To go along with monthly PPVs averaging 450k+ (more after 187 numbers come in) I was at an event last summer on a WEDNESDAY that was at almost 100% capacity. Boxing isn’t doing that, and I’m more of a boxing fan, just defending the sport to ignorant posts. The UFC business is alive and well, deal with it. What other sport does weekly sold-out events, with solid ratings, and monthly PPVs averaging 1/2 mill??