ESPN’s Dan Rafael indicated in a Sportsnation Chat with fans that the PPV buy rates from the Floyd Mayweather-Marcos Maidana fight sold between 800,000 to 900,000 PPVs. Golden Boy and Showtime have yet to make an official announcement.
The news of the buy rate based on Rafael’s sources are disappointing considering it’s a Mayweather fight. It is also a departure from the 2.2 million buys this past September.
While no official announcement on the PPV has been made, Rafael’s comments during the fan chat make sense. If the buy rate news was good, Golden Boy and Showtime would have made an immediate announcement. However, with no information given since the May 3rd fight, one might assume that Rafael’s estimation would be correct.
Payout Perspective:
The 800K-900K is still an impressive number but not the 1 million PPV buys that Golden Boy/Showtime and Mayweather had hoped. If there’s any positive from the promoters’ perspective, the figure shows that Canelo Alvarez is a legitimate PPV draw. The 2.2 million buys was due to a huge contingent of Mexican fans cheering Alvarez. Marcos Maidana is an entertaining fighter but does not have the broad appeal of Canelo Alvarez. Then, there’s the fact that there was less marketing push behind this fight in comparison to the Alvarez fight.
With Manny Pacquiao producing another Pacquiao PPV “disappointment,” we may have to start to re-calibrate what a successful big event boxing PPV draws.
Waiting for Espinoza/Schaefer to lie about this one.
Nonsense statement regarding “successful” boxing events.
It depends on the players involved. Martinez-Cotto would be lucky to hit 600k which would be horrible for a May weather fight.
One is a success… The other, a failure.
Hence… The statement of “success” being nonsense
Sampson:
Well argued sir. I am somewhat persuaded. Bradley-Marquez was considered a success because it did 375K when it was expected that it would do 350K (or something less). You are correct. Martinez-Cotto won’t pull 1M but if it does 500-600K TR/HBO will be announcing that the following Monday.
But, my contention was that for big name fighters like Pacquiao or Mayweather, the PPV number expectations have been at least 1 million. Now, we see May has done over 1M only once since signing with Showtime. So, why is he not drawing as much as before? Same question with Manny. Certainly it could be the competition but these guys have drawn on name recognition alone for years.
Jason,
You don’t have to explain yourself further, your article explains your point. Imbeciles like Sampson don’t have basic reading comprehension skills which is why he made the post he did.
Pacquiao didn’t break 1 million buys against Clottey, Hatton, Bradley 1, or Rios.
Not sure what many expected for the Bradley rematch.
Mayweather was fighting once a year on HBO since 2009. Now he’s fighting more often with less build up against smaller names except for Alvarez.
Boxing stays the same…
Tens of millions of viewers in Mexico. 80,000 fans for Froch-Groves 2 in the UK.
Pac did 475k buys against Rios, he did less against Bradley in an anticipated rematch.
Mayweather did 1.25m buys against Victor Ortiz- a low profile opponent. Whether he does 1 or 2 ppvs per year is irrelevant respective of the buy rate. He did a 2.2 m buy fight when he had 2 fights that year.
Boxing does not stay the same.
The entire ppv event industry is down. It is very obvious to any rational person. This entire website is dedicated to explaining these numbers, yet you can’t comprehend.
Tens of millions of viewers in Mexico…80k fans for Froch-Groves in the UK…..ZERO PPV Buys for either.
I agree with D. The UFC, Top Rank and Golden Boy all have to be concerned about declining PPVs. It’s hitting all fight sports.
It’s true that Mayweather is fighting a little more frequently, so you would expect his per-fight PPVs to decrease, but even so, it’s getting harder and harder to crack the 1M mark.
Mexicans are broke and Europeans are way too cheap to spend money on PPV. A lot of Americans can’t afford 60 bucks on so many events. There is room for maybe 4 or 5 big events a year for both Boxing and UFC combined imo.
2.2 million buys in September and all of a sudden there is huge concern?
GTFOH
Sometimes I wonder why I bother but I just can’t help but annihilate these know nothings…
Froch-Groves 1 did 300,000 buys in the UK. This rematch is projected to hit 1 million buys. Not quite the 1.2 million buys of Mayweather-Hatton.
The UFC does how many PPV buys in the UK? What was that… ZErO?
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/369079/Thousands-of-fight-fans-left-disappointed-as-Carl-Froch-George-Groves-tickets-sell-out
I don’t think there is cause for ANY concern, when Mayweather sells an event based on his name alone he is always a little bit under or above the 1 mill mark — Whether it’s below or above has a lot to do with how the fans perceive his opponent will fare.
There is a tremendous amount of people that want to see Mayweather lose, it’s amazing how much that drives PPV-Buys for him and he knows it. This time around unfortunately there was a lot of press & fan feeling that Maidana would not even be able to make it a fight and just suffer the same fate as everybody else — The buy-rate reflects that feeling and it is perfectly normal.
Logical is the only logical person here besides me.
If Martinez beats Cotto… Mayweather-Martinez for the middleweight championship hits 1.3 million buys for sure.
“Sometimes I wonder why I bother but I just can’t help but annihilate these know nothings…
Froch-Groves 1 did 300,000 buys in the UK. This rematch is projected to hit 1 million buys. Not quite the 1.2 million buys of Mayweather-Hatton.
The UFC does how many PPV buys in the UK? What was that… ZErO?”
You annihilate yourself every time you post you moron.
You still haven’t grasped the fact that the international market is nothing compared to the US/Canadian market.
A few things, you neglected to comprehend: Froch-Groves I was literally the only ppv boxing match in the UK that generated any relevant figures in years. I think the only other fights that was even on ppv that did a buyrate worth noting was Haye-Klitschko a few years back and the Hatton-Mayweather fight. Also as you neglected to realize is that the cost of the ppv is significantly less on sky tv than it is on US/Canada ppv. That ppv cost was 15 pounds. That is the equivalent to right around $25. So you can take that 300k figure and slash it in half to 150k buys which is what it would be worth in the US. Also, that is assuming what you said is true about the buy rate, which I am always skeptical of seeing how frequently you lie.
You also claim the UFC does zero ppv buys in the UK, so, they do ppv buys in Australia, how many ppvs in Australia is boxing selling? ZERO. Plus, this is irrelevant because the international market as I pointed out is NOTHING compared to the US/Canadian market. They do a ppv that is relevant once every 3 or 4 years there and the numbers still wouldn’t even compare to the top 7 or 8 ufcs per year.
Also Martinez is a big name in boxing. A few years ago if those two had fought it would be closer to 1.7 or 1.8. Again, both sports ppvs are down. The number prove it.
Whats the total ppv of boxing this first half of the year? Canelo would fight two more times this year pac and mayweather one a piece…so its going to be a good year for boxing ppv….how bout the sinking ship?dw forcing anderson to heal? hahaha
What a dictator….haha
Tops E, you may be as stupid as Sampson.
Okay, so let’s say boxing eclipses the UFC in ppv buys and revenue this year. It would obviously be because their two biggest draws are not fighting. Let’s see what happens to boxing when Mayweather and Pac retire if you really want to see a decline. Not to mention this would make it boxing’s first in 8 years to have more ppv revenue/buys. Plus the UFC still has another 9 ppvs scheduled this year that barring something insane happening will all go through. Judging by boxing’s track record of ppv fights being scrapped, the only 2 fighters you can guarantee will fight are Manny and Floyd.
Yeah, you are also an idiot with the whole sinking ship crap. They are getting paid over 100m per year just from FOX, plus 45% of their revenue these days comes from non event related income, ie: sponsorship, tv, merchandising, etc. So a company that is generating that type of revenue with low overhead is the furthest thing from a sinking ship. Keep in mind this sinking ship less than 5 months ago did a ppv over a million buys.
All the income doesn’t mean anything unless you have the other part of the equation, which every moron seems to not consider, and even more idiots know nothing about, and this is the entire production costs.of an event. So unless we have the amount of money spent in its entirety on every event, this is all opinionated speculation. A company, and many do, could generate millions of dollars, but if they spend more than they bring in its all crap in a toilet bowl. Here is an example, a show budget is set to break even at 500k ppv buys and a gate of 15k, if these numbers are not met, and many promoters will go even more in the hole as they get closer, really pump the event with more marketing, a finical loss is the result. So in fact, unless we have all these figures the entire conversation is academic. And anyone who keeps repeating this fantasy 100 mil number from Fox that the UFC has in the bank should really google how business actually works. Now I will speculate that the UFC is way over budget and has been for a few years and are discounting their loss as “expanding the market” The boxing promoters are more realistic in their overall view of the world.
Are you serious? Production costs? The UFC promotes the fights on the cheap and as you guys love to point out, the nickel and dime the headliners. Boxing production/promotion cost far more than the UFC. Look at how much Golden Boy/Mayweather put into promoting his fights- nearly always tens of millions, what I’ve read about the UFC is that their promotional costs for big events cost in the range of 3-5million.
Also, if we are specifically talking about the promoters net from the events it isn’t even close. As you guys love to point out, the UFC does not pay the headliners anywhere near the cut the headlining boxers make. Headlining boxers make 70-80% of the cut, whereas the UFC headliners make an estimated 20-30% of the cut. The UFC nets way more than the boxing promoters do, and their production/promotion costs are way less than boxing fights.
Since you obviously read the contract between the Zuffa and FOX, what exactly is fantasy world about it? Also, seeing how the UFC started to generate 45% of their revenue from non event related income, you are clearly full of shit.
Talk about an idiot.
“You also claim the UFC does zero ppv buys in the UK, so, they do ppv buys in Australia, how many ppvs in Australia is boxing selling? ZERO”
I bet those Mundine fights alone are still outselling the UFC on PPV there. Also, Froch-Kessler was on PPV in the UK last year. pls stop talking about boxing, you are giving me a migraine.
The Mayweather/Pac PPVs did right around the numbers that any reasonable fan would expect (Showtime president not included). The slight dip is from Pac getting knocked out and Mayweather fighting on Showtime instead of HBO. Boxing is going to have its strongest PPV year in a while and is looking to beat the UFC for the first time since 2005 (maybe the May-Hoya 2007 fight helped do it too).
well I guess you have all the numbers for everything, why don’t you start your own web page with all the answers. You quote made up percentages without any data or facts.Maybe you can fool some with your crap or you have UFC privileged information as well as boxing, yea doubt it. You obviously have no idea whats called the back end in any deal, look it up son before you give us your inexperienced college academic non real world experience spin, Please give us actual numbers and breakdown or STFU Thank you
Yea im serious, and so is any person in the promotion business when it comes to production costs, you obviously never worked in the business or you would know that the entire bottom line is overhead. Open a lemonade stand and see how profitable you are when you don’t consider cost, you don’t even rank as an idiot, You sound like some academic in the white house that never had a real job.Do you know how to balance a check book? I really dont want to argue but your point is without any fact or realism, heavy medication will create delusion thinking look that up.
This girl still spouting off nonsense?
She keeps exposing exuberant irrationality.
Zuffa can’t hire better shills?
No, I don’t have all the numbers, I read the articles on this website(and a few others ) for those estimates which you obviously have neglected to read. Plus I’ve read court documents relating to the UFC ppv points/contract break down to get an idea of what the fighters make. You may call things like that UFC privileged information, the rest of us call it publicly disclosed documents.
Since you are lazy and don’t do research on the topic at hand yet accuse others of fabrication, allow me to enlighten you:
For the stats I stated relating to the boxing split between promoters and fighters in boxing, here are some sources to back up my claims:
-“A 70/30 deal is completely common,” DiBella said, meaning 70 percent of the revenue generated from the fight goes to the boxer, the remaining 30 percent to the promoter.
-Lou Dibella
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/UFCpay/ufc-fighters-say-low-pay-most-painful-hit-all
An example of a fighter making an 80% split is Canelo Alvarez in his last fight:
“http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/3/6/5479410/purses-canelo-alvarez-to-make-1-25-million-plus-revenue-alfredo”
There are tons of other sources that would verify this information, this is clearly true.
As for the UFC purse split, are you seriously going to contend that the fighters make more than the estimate I gave of 20-30%? If so, I will gladly give you supportive information that can verify that the 30% would be a totally high end estimate. I don’t really feel the need to write a long break down of why this is accurate because it is obviously that low. If you believe it is lower, that would only further agree with my point.
For the promotion/production costs, I will get you some info on that too soon, just don’t feel like digging up all that info right now. But one thing is for sure, just because you didn’t do your homework, does not mean everyone else is wrong.
SalDaQueef strikes again!
Here is a simple breakdown on UFC 171 with a small amount of information, there are variables that we dont have values for. 171 gate gross 2,6 mil and 300 ppv lets say from your info, we will go in the middle at 4 million production. before we count ppv buys UFC is in the hole for 1.4 million. I dont know exactly what the UFC nets per ppv buy so lets say $10-20 per buy estimate. 6 million now subtract 1.4 million is 4.6 million. And now we have taxes, yes taxes. At that number lets say half, so its now 2.3 million dollar overage, now lets pay back the initial start up investment and a payment on a 500mil loan. Yea sorry even with heavy merch sales I dont see this being a profitable with those low ppv sales. We still dont know how much Zuffa initially invested or what their monthly loan nut is so unless you know stop talking out your ass thank you.
“Yea im serious, and so is any person in the promotion business when it comes to production costs, you obviously never worked in the business or you would know that the entire bottom line is overhead. Open a lemonade stand and see how profitable you are when you don’t consider cost, you don’t even rank as an idiot, You sound like some academic in the white house that never had a real job.Do you know how to balance a check book? I really dont want to argue but your point is without any fact or realism, heavy medication will create delusion thinking look that up.”
What is amusing is that I run a business online, I probably make more money in a week than you make in a year. You are either just too stupid to realize what both sports invest in their promotion/production, or you are so emotionally tied to boxing you can’t use any objective perspective what so ever. I mean what are attempting to claim? Are you suggesting that boxers don’t make WAY more of the split from the big promotions? Are you claiming that ufc fighers make a higher percent of the split? Or are you claiming that the promotion/production costs for Zuffa are astronomically higher than they are for GB/Showtime and Top Rank/HBO? Which is evident by the way of opposite considering how much major boxing ppvs invest in their fights. You can’t have it both ways.
Amusing how you imply I’m some sort of quack, all the while you attempt to inject some sort of political angle into this. Good rule of thumb, whenever people are discussing a topic unrelated to politics, and one aggressively asserts a political theme, they are always some sort of nutjob.
Nice try dumbass.
“No, I don’t have all the numbers, I read the articles on this website(and a few others )” Articles are great, you probably have read way more then me, articles are buy no means fact, or have accurate information and are generally written to hype a subject to get readers interest. Unless we see financial tax documents its all speculation and bullshit.
Yea im a nut job who called you out on your lack of true facts in trying to make your points. And any fool can see our government spends more then it takes in, only making an analogy not political. What I make or you make is irrelevant and anybody can be anything they want on the internet, means very little in the real world son. I call it like I see it and enjoy all contact sports, I have my issues with boxing and call BS BS when appropriate. Once a fool says he makes more money so forth he’s lost any credibility and is obviously suffering from an inferiority complex sorry for you
Next topic
The ppv number was 350k, again, you guys don’t read so well and exaggerate everything.
Also, I find it amusing that you don’t know what the UFC nets for ppv, had you simply searched once again on this websites search engine you would have found out what the UFC gets per ppv at least from 2008:
“In Demand deals are typically 50/40/10 splits. 50% goes directly to the cable companies, who actually own In Demand. 10% goes to In Demand and 40% goes to the event producer. ”
-http://mmapayout.com/2008/07/inside-ppv-breaking-down-the-numbers/
From what I’ve read, the split is closer to 45% now though according to sources like Leonard Ellerbe, Schaeffer, Kevin Iole, Fertitta, etc. But they all make the same cut from the cable company. So, let’s say for argument sake we go with the 40% figure. I’ve read a variety of other sources that point out about half of the buys these days are hd(if you don’t believe me just google it and patiently research it, eventually you will see this is not some exaggeration), which would make the average ppv buy $50. 40% of $50 would be $20 per buy. $20x350k is $7 million. The gate gets split 50-50 between the UFC and the venue which leaves Zuffa with 1.3 Million for the gate. They also have their own sponsorship for the event, they get paid a license fee I believe of a 100k for any company that wants to sponsor a fighter for any given event. They receive a split of the concessions and merchandise I have read that is 50-50 as well. All of this easily ranges in the millions-of course, I can not say for sure what the exact figure would be for this part of the revenue stream, because as we’ve both acknowledged Zuffa doesn’t open their books and something like this is very difficult to get any supportive info for. So let’s say they had to pay 4 million for production costs which includes promotion, production, insurance, fighter pay(not including ppv split or bonuses), licenses, etc. They may have also had to pay out Jones another million for his end of the ppv cut plus at least the other 200k for fight bonuses. Let’s say that total is an additional 1.2m, they are still netting 3.1m before we even get into sponsorship/merchandise/concessions/international tv deals/not to mention these events generate more money after the event is over-with ufc’s fight catalog, etc. All of these can range in the millions. Yes, there are taxes, both state taxes and they obviously have to pay income taxes. But not to even come close to dropping them to a break even point. Since you are obviously the furthest thing from a tax attorney, let me explain something to you, corporations….they don’t pay the same % of taxes as lottery winners. Haha. Zuffa has a dream team of tax attorneys working to find every single loophole imaginable so they get their tax lowered. They don’t pay 50% at all, not even close. The only immediate taxes they pay related to the event are the state taxes(mr cuban), then every quarter, they pay quarterly taxes on their entire business income, not 1 event. Regardless though, if we prorate what they pay for that given event, it is way lower than 50% of the net for the event. They probably pay half of that.
This also was a lower generating fight ppv. It only did a 2.3m gate and 350k buys. Now, go check out what a boxing promoter makes for a boxing ppv, like I said, 20-30% of the split and their end goes to the distributor usually also. And don’t even get me started on the distributors like Showtime/HBO who barely profit from ppv and would prefer everything to be free on tv.
For someone that claims they are so savvy about business and the business of mma, you sure don’t know entry level information about the subject-even considering most of it is located on this sites archives.
Moron.
“Articles are great, you probably have read way more then me, articles are buy no means fact, or have accurate information and are generally written to hype a subject to get readers interest. Unless we see financial tax documents its all speculation and bullshit.”
Yes, that is why we call them estimates based on supportive information. We do have a lot of facts though in relation to the contracts of the fighters, the split between the cable companies/venue and the event producers of ppvs.
Also, I could care less what you believe about my finances or business. No one loses more credibility than someone like you who tells people they are fabricating numbers and then makes statements that prove they have no idea about the business like being clueless about the split.
Sampson, you have a ManGina.
Excuse me, I thought you were talking about the last event, not sure why you didn’t just use the Jones fight seeing how that was last, but 300k was for the Lawler fight.
Ufc fighters should demand to.get paid better…ufc pay is a joke haha
D you keep talking in circles and type way too much to make your point which is basically speculation. You or anyone else doesnt knows what the UFC pays in taxes exactly. You will not accept any logic or reason and are obviously a payed troll for Zuffa. I just like to show there are many variables that are not considered or ever mentioned in financial articles that you and other morons consider as fact. Even the PPV numbers can be off by tens of thousands.. Here is a plausible probability that I’m sure you never considered, How much does Fox get off of UFC PPv sales since the deal? If you say they dont you are full of shit, if you say they do you are full of shit too, fact is we dont know
This number is bad for Showtime, apparently they have to do over a million buys per Mayweather PPV to break even, they made big money on the Canelo fight but their two other fights were under a million buys.
This shill is weak.
Saldaqueef,
Yes, I know when I state specific information that is verifiable with a source, you equate that to talking in circles like how a simple search on this website that could have shown you the ppv split which you were unaware of. Kind of amusing how you claim I won’t accept logic or reason when the assumptions you make on information within the industry are dead wrong. If you bothered to simply research the topic, you would realize what I am saying is logical, you are just too incompetent to do so.
Also, I am the furthest thing from a Zuffa backer. I would prefer it if Bellator or someone else was the leading company in MMA. Dana White is a jerkoff who is the most unprofessional president of a company I have ever seen. The only reason why I am defending them in this case is because they are reflective of the growth and popularity of the industry.
Do I know what the ufc pays in taxes exactly? No, but I do know what corporate taxes usually look like and they are no where near 50%(and I am not talking about blue chip stocks that are basically tax exempt other than for dividend taxes).
Your most amusing quote:
” I just like to show there are many variables that are not considered or ever mentioned in financial articles that you and other morons consider as fact. Even the PPV numbers can be off by tens of thousands.”
You mean the variables that I was more aware of than you. You didn’t know about the ppv split, you didn’t know that the venue gets half of the cut, you didn’t know about the split between the concessions, you didn’t mention insurance, you didn’t mention state taxes, your focus was on income taxes, and what is insane, you added what their overall debt was into the equation of 1 event’s net. Why is that ridiculous you ask? Well, because when attempting to determine how much 1 individual event nets and then adding that to their current debt through expansion is mixing apples with oranges. I mean, they have so many different sources of income, plus that debt may be erased in the near future if they begin to heavily profit abroad. Did you take into account their international tv deals? They have big contracts with Globo in Brazil, and a variety of others in different countries. Again, the UFC only generates 55% of their revenue from the actual events. So to throw anything into this related to their expansion or startup debt from the company’s inception is ridiculous. That latter debt is most likely very long gone.
It is a plausible probability that FOX nets money from the UFC ppvs? From the buys/gate? HAHAHA!! Yeah, I’m sure that FOX gets a cut from an event they do nothing for other than air prelims on their stations and do the post fight also on their stations. FOX puts no money into the ppv promotion/production. Zuffa uses their own production team for the ppv, FOX does not have its employees working it.
“The UFC will maintain their event production, but pre and post event shows will be handled by FOX, which will most likely utilize newly hired Gus Johnson and Fox Sports mainstay Jay Glazer.”
http://mmapayout.com/2011/08/ufc-officially-announces-fox-tv-deal/
Zuffa puts all the money up also promoting it. The only promotion FOX does is for the prelims/post fight. I read the outline for the FOX deal, it mentions nothing to do with FOX getting a cut of ppv. Why don’t we arbitrarily assume Top Rank/HBO, GB/Showtime have to pay a cut to say any random, business partner they have while putting on their ppv’s? As you’ve pointed out, you have no evidence of that, so to assume that would be ridiculous.
Seems like you are full of shit.
The real question is how Zuffa pays off its $600 million debt due next year.
Silva and GSP should comeback only if offered boxing money. They have leverage for days to save this sinking shithole
Sampson, you exaggerate and lie about everything you state.
Nope.
Look it up Diane… Put down the make up and look it up.
I have looked it up. You exaggerate and lie about everything.
You need to get your tampon out of your ManGina.
Too bad ufc wont have this kind of number in the coming months.
Oh wait ronda to the rescue hahahaha…..sinking ship
D i will take popcorn and beer sales into consideration when I look at an event from now on you forgot parking too. We know you are the UFC’s replacement for Brain Smasher and you proved you talk out your fat ass because any number or split you think you know is only speculation even the PPV numbers reported are speculated. You have no clue what the FOX deal stipulates and you are showing your lack of intelligence if you think anything on the internet is true. You can google any subject and eventually find the answer you want, once again you count beans that may or may not exist. Your lack of understanding of what a private company can say or not say shows you are a true moron. Fact the UFC has a publicity machine that spins any bad news about the company’s image. They prey on idiots like you who dont know any better. Oh boxing does it too and so does the NFL check those facts google boy D= Dickhead
It wasn’t just concessions that you were unaware of, it was almost everything. The truth hurts.
We know you are some boxing fanboy who has nothing better to do than eat carbs and troll mma websites.
I gave you the split between the cable companies/the event producers with a reliable source that you were unaware of. I gave you the split between boxing promoters/boxers with reliable sources, which you were unaware of. Just because you are an idiot that can’t do basic google searches doesn’t mean the world is wrong.
“You have no clue what the FOX deal stipulates and you are showing your lack of intelligence if you think anything on the internet is true.”
No, you have no clue what the FOX deal stipulates. You just are fabricating things. I saw the highlights of the contract from the press conference. When signing deals, businesses do not just fabricate figures right off the bat like that. What would be the point/motivation? If FOX was granted ppv points for UFC events, that would be mentioned. The UFC does spin bad news and lie about it all the time, but this wouldn’t be something that was bad news. It would just be part of their initial agreement. The fact that they control everything to do with the ppv-production/promotion makes it obvious FOX is not getting a dime from it.
I find it amusing that you claim I don’t know anything about private business yet you don’t even know basic tax information that anyone who runs a small business would know. You think that businesses pay income taxes immediately after an event and big corporations pay 50% in income taxes. You also aren’t even aware of state taxes you dumb fuck. What is amusing is you are probably the one who can’t even balance a check book and you are attempting to dictate to others about how businesses operate. I would say the IRS preys upon people like you but you most likely don’t even have a job.
Also, just to be technically clear, Zuffa is an LLC, however seeing how big their company is, they can use comparable measures to corporations in limiting the amount of tax they pay with their massive amounts of assets.
D is trying to get everybody bored with his long essays in the hopes that it would discourage people commenting…hahahaha
tops E and the rest of the boxing fanboys hate facts and reality.
I said the truth and now u shortened ur reply hahaha….defensive
I provided statistics, you provide incoherent ramblings.